Greg Kerwoods Contract Review

govols019

You smell that?
I'll say it again. I don't know. It would depend on PT years and FT years and hours worked. There is not set amount.

If you know please go ahead and say it.


I don't have the slightest clue of how much it would be...I just thought we could compare since we are discussing fairness.

You also said that you didn't get a pension increase but the webinar for the West says that you did...what you didn't get was an increase in pension contributions.
 
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govols019

You smell that?
I don't know of a max payout, but I still don't know what payouts have to do with it.

If I invest my money and have a higher net worth than another driver, does that mean I deserve the same top pay as the last contract while others get the GWI? Would this make sense since I'd have "plenty of money" and wouldn't need it as badly?

That's the discussion here, many pensions are not getting a raise, they're getting the same contributions as last contract.

Which plans are getting an increase in pension contributions?
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I don't have the slightest clue of how much it would be...I just thought we could compare since we are discussing fairness.

You also said that you didn't get a pension increase but the webinar for the West says that you did...what you didn't get was an increase in pension contributions.

Referencing Article 34 (master)...The only pension plans that are receiving that weekly contribution are the Teamster controlled (Monetary Contribution Plans) like the Western. Everybody else are under a (Defined Pension Plan) like the IBT/UPS or the UPS Pension Plan under the Central and Southern. Those funds are maintained at the end of the year, the Company just contributes the minimum required amount to cover their obligations. If the Company has over a 100 % vesting ratio at the end of the year they can technically cover those participants just on their investment returns, both the IBT/UPS Pension fund for all the full timers that were in the Central States pension plan and the part timers under the UPS Pension Plan are close to or over that threshold. UPS has total control over those funds, do not fool yourselves, their main goal in 2028 will be to reduced their pension obligations or freeze anymore funding in everybody's pension fund. They essentially frozen most of their pension contributions in the West and other plans in the East with this TA.

When our members argue about the Central and Southern getting a better deal on this TA please study it's past history and remember those under the IBT/UPS Pension Plan and the UPS Pension Plan are not taking anymore money from those in the healthier plans like the West. Just look at the UPS Pension Plan for those part timers in the Central, just a 175 dollar increase over a 5 year span...any vested time under that plan even as a full timer will still pay peanuts. In reality that claim about those part timers having a pension as a guaranteed benefit are false, what percentage of those part timers starting today will ever be able to retire as a part timer 25 years from now and collect less than 1,500 a month, let's get real.

It looks like both parties are trying to get rid of that notion about retiring just on a part time pension or salary, they are now forcing these on the fence part timers to bid on any future full time positions in order to advance. Our current part timers who are now qualified for that service pension (25 or over) in the Central will leave soon, most of them are so busted or old that they cannot bid on a full time position even if it is a inside one. None of them will be around in 2028, or 2024....They got absolutely NO improvements with this TA, why risk injury or go through the stress expecting that the next Contract will be better...It Ain't...besides that most of them would be eligible for Social Security and Medicare.

I see lots of people retiring coming up pretty soon

Mass exodus in 2024...:didimiss:

The chess board is in place with the next Contract, read the language in Article 34 (Master) about guaranteeing those enhanced IBT/UPS benefits beyond 2028. It is in there for a reason.

In 2028 most of our old timers will be long gone, everyone under the IBT/UPS Pension plan will already have 20 full time years vested, most of those who had time under the old Central States plan will also be gone. That Central States bailout and the others not only helped our current retirees but got UPS off the hook if those benefits were ever cut or eliminated.

For us old timers...we will probably not be around in 2028, that means that any consideration about a strike will be lessened, no one on the picket line would of participated in the 1997 one..we be retired and will not want to anything to do with the Teamsters or UPS.

The very fact that the Company decided to end any further vesting in their own pension plans 5 or more years ago should point to the obvious truth that Corporate has intentions to do the very same thing to every members' pension benefits in 2028.
So start planning now...
 

542thruNthru

Well-Known Member
I don't have the slightest clue of how much it would be...I just thought we could compare since we are discussing fairness.
How your pension is doing and how mine is doing isn't about fairness. We all receive the same $1 from article 34. Well we used to anyways. How that money is used is up to your trustees. Again, you received a greater economic package than others because you need bailing out.... again.
You also said that you didn't get a pension increase but the webinar for the West says that you did...what you didn't get was an increase in pension contributions.
Good job, I have miss spoke sometimes and said pension increase and not pension contribution increase. I'm so glad you cleared that up. Lol
 

MyTripisCut

Never bought my own handtruck
They essentially frozen most of their pension contributions in the West and other plans in the East with this TA.
This is not what a frozen pension means. Everyone on Facebook is saying this, but we are all still getting contributions and able to add enhancements, NOT frozen.
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
This is not what a frozen pension means. Everyone on Facebook is saying this, but we are all still getting contributions and able to add enhancements, NOT frozen.
Those are terms that Me-sters (who woke up on third base and think they hit a triple) misplace when they are faced with the realization that they are actually part of a team, like it or not.

I'll say it again, disparity in wages and benefits between regions and locals, defeat the purpose of a National Master contract and ultimately skew the vote.
 

govols019

You smell that?
Referencing Article 34 (master)...The only pension plans that are receiving that weekly contribution are the Teamster controlled (Monetary Contribution Plans) like the Western. Everybody else are under a (Defined Pension Plan) like the IBT/UPS or the UPS Pension Plan under the Central and Southern. Those funds are maintained at the end of the year, the Company just contributes the minimum required amount to cover their obligations. If the Company has over a 100 % vesting ratio at the end of the year they can technically cover those participants just on their investment returns, both the IBT/UPS Pension fund for all the full timers that were in the Central States pension plan and the part timers under the UPS Pension Plan are close to or over that threshold. UPS has total control over those funds, do not fool yourselves, their main goal in 2028 will be to reduced their pension obligations or freeze anymore funding in everybody's pension fund. They essentially frozen most of their pension contributions in the West and other plans in the East with this TA.

When our members argue about the Central and Southern getting a better deal on this TA please study it's past history and remember those under the IBT/UPS Pension Plan and the UPS Pension Plan are not taking anymore money from those in the healthier plans like the West. Just look at the UPS Pension Plan for those part timers in the Central, just a 175 dollar increase over a 5 year span...any vested time under that plan even as a full timer will still pay peanuts. In reality that claim about those part timers having a pension as a guaranteed benefit are false, what percentage of those part timers starting today will ever be able to retire as a part timer 25 years from now and collect less than 1,500 a month, let's get real.

It looks like both parties are trying to get rid of that notion about retiring just on a part time pension or salary, they are now forcing these on the fence part timers to bid on any future full time positions in order to advance. Our current part timers who are now qualified for that service pension (25 or over) in the Central will leave soon, most of them are so busted or old that they cannot bid on a full time position even if it is a inside one. None of them will be around in 2028, or 2024....They got absolutely NO improvements with this TA, why risk injury or go through the stress expecting that the next Contract will be better...It Ain't...besides that most of them would be eligible for Social Security and Medicare.



Mass exodus in 2024...:didimiss:

The chess board is in place with the next Contract, read the language in Article 34 (Master) about guaranteeing those enhanced IBT/UPS benefits beyond 2028. It is in there for a reason.

In 2028 most of our old timers will be long gone, everyone under the IBT/UPS Pension plan will already have 20 full time years vested, most of those who had time under the old Central States plan will also be gone. That Central States bailout and the others not only helped our current retirees but got UPS off the hook if those benefits were ever cut or eliminated.

For us old timers...we will probably not be around in 2028, that means that any consideration about a strike will be lessened, no one on the picket line would of participated in the 1997 one..we be retired and will not want to anything to do with the Teamsters or UPS.

The very fact that the Company decided to end any further vesting in their own pension plans 5 or more years ago should point to the obvious truth that Corporate has intentions to do the very same thing to every members' pension benefits in 2028.
So start planning now...
Sadly, I was here in 97 and and I'll still be here in '28....I will turn 55 just before this contract ends with 32 years in but those 8.5 part-time years are killing me.
 

govols019

You smell that?
Again, you received a greater economic package than others because you need bailing out.... again.

Again, you keep saying that doesn't make it true.


I sometimes wonder if your major problem with this contract is who negotiated it...I seem to remember you being a big Vairma guy and saying getting rid of 22.4s and raising the starting wage for part-timers to over $20 was a pipe dream that SOB was selling to get elected. If I'm misremembering that, I apologize.
 
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