HOFFA , HALL AND OBRIEN campaign announcement

[hyena]

It was going on for weeks without UPS budging. You think they cared about a few politicians and a few customer complaints? Obviously not. The fact that Tim was getting nothing done was alarming. It just seems too convenient for you that H and O got the jobs back? God forbid. So even if they did do anything positive you still can't believe or admit it. Your ignorance is blinding.

Hahahaha.

 

[10 point]

10 point and I have the same plan.

Try to keep up.

I believe he's comparing the C6 plan. That was my point.

 

[wide load]

It was a standoff between UPS and a very aggressive local, so UPS was dug in.
It took their "buddies" from the IBT to finally stop by for the stalemate to end.
What took them so long, more "political overtones"?

It should have been handled on a local level first. Come on man, you should know this. When progress was absent, they sent in the problem solvers.

 

[5habits100]

He didn't say the local.
He said the people HE talked to had other issues.

Uh, if you'll correct your selective memory, you'll remember that the New York City Council was threatening...on TV...not "phone calls" to pull the shipping contract at it's completion (worth millions) and discontinue the city's practice of forgiving hundreds of thousands of dollars of UPS's yearly accrued parking tickets.

Your posts are so disingenuous. Tell all the facts.

Here comes the train. Read what I posted again boy wonder. UPS didn't care about that.

 

[5habits100]

I was there, on the Worldport property talking to real members, yet you label statements inaccurate?
How convienient.

Thank you

 

[realbrown1]

It should have been handled on a local level first. Come on man, you should know this. When progress was absent, they sent in the problem solvers.

They should have backed that local 100%.

That would have helped resolve the issues this local was having.

UPS knew the international would step in and impose the contract.

So why would they continue to negotiate in good faith knowing this?

I wonder how they knew?

Inside man?

 

[5habits100]

It was a standoff between UPS and a very aggressive local, so UPS was dug in.
It took their "buddies" from the IBT to finally stop by for the stalemate to end.
What took them so long, more "political overtones"?

If you say so since you're in the know.

 

[anHOURover]

N

My daughter works in the health insurance industry (CDHDP)---our insurance does not suck.

NOWHERE NEAR THE COMPANY PLAN AS WE WERE PROMISED! Facts are facts!

 

[10 point]

Here comes the train. Read what I posted again boy wonder. UPS didn't care about that.

You're evading the point boy blunder.
"UPS didn't care about that". They didn't care about millions of revenue lost or poor public image?

Bahahahahahaha!

Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
Your desk job must be great. Office walls filled with pics of Jim Kelly, Oz and Davis.
The train left the station without you.

 

[Inthegame]

I respect hall and his abilities.
But, unfortunately, he has a boss.

And therein lies the problem...

 

[Inthegame]

So when Milwaukee holds out next contract on a supplemental issue of 4 no votes to 2 yes votes, that will be enough to hold out a year and a half for contractual changes.

Only if they're demanding all drivers get a beer break. I'd walk for that...

 

[5habits100]

You're evading the point boy blunder.
"UPS didn't care about that". They didn't care about millions of revenue lost or poor public image?

Bahahahahahaha!

Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
Your desk job must be great. Office walls filled with pics of Jim Kelly, Oz and Davis.
The train left the station without you.

I wish I had a desk job.
The answer to your question no they didn't care about that. If they did they would have put them back to work long before that. I am glad I'm not on the train with you and your boys. Must be real boring talking about the same unsustainable healthcare plan, Hoffa and Hall are the worst thing ever, poor poor me.

 

[Inthegame]

So was it right, that in the end, that Local 89 had imposed on them an offer that was less than the best previously offered by the company?

How's that for "political overtones"?

Rejecting offers have consequences that responsible local leaders explain. Hopefully the voters of L89 had the possible consequences of their rejection votes explained to them.
I'm not sure it's a matter of right or wrong, but I'll play. I think what happened to L89 was not "right". Where we differ is who was more responsible for that wrong. The present IBT leaders or a guy who wants to lead. Looks like the big egos on both sides trumped the members needs, but Fred Z knew he was playing with fire and his members got burned. He's not the one wearing out shoes walking 1/2 mile to work.

 

[10 point]

I wish I had a desk job.
The answer to your question no they didn't care about that. If they did they would have put them back to work long before that. I am glad I'm not on the train with you and your boys. Must be real boring talking about the same unsustainable healthcare plan, Hoffa and Hall are the worst thing ever, poor poor me.

Have another drink. Oh thats right you don't drink. Tell another lie.

I didn't ask a question.I made a statement about an obvious truth that evidently you haven't figured out yet. the company's brand means a lot to the company. You have to get outside the office more often.

I have no problem with Hall.
He takes orders from whoever he works for and does his best. he is a great asset to the Teamsters Union in my opinion.

It's your serve.

 

[5habits100]

I didn't ask a question.I made a statement about an obvious truth that evidently you haven't figured out yet. the company's brand means a lot to the company. You have to get outside the office more often.

I have no problem with Hall.
He takes orders from whoever he works for and does his best. he is a great asset to the Teamsters Union in my opinion.

If I did drink alcohol it would make your points more relevant in my mind.

It's your serve.

If I had an office I would get out and see the members. That's what it's all about. I agree the company's brand means a lot to them, until they're being held hostage by someone who if not put into check would continually jeopardize the brand. They wouldn't have backed down from your boy Timmy.


Your ball.

 

[Bubblehead]

10 point and I have the same plan.

Try to keep up.

He was comparing the old C6 plan to the new C6 "enhanced" plan and they aren't one in the same.
When comparing the two, his assessment was accurate.

 

[Bubblehead]

Rejecting offers have consequences that responsible local leaders explain. Hopefully the voters of L89 had the possible consequences of their rejection votes explained to them.
I'm not sure it's a matter of right or wrong, but I'll play. I think what happened to L89 was not "right". Where we differ is who was more responsible for that wrong. The present IBT leaders or a guy who wants to lead. Looks like the big egos on both sides trumped the members needs, but Fred Z knew he was playing with fire and his members got burned. He's not the one wearing out shoes walking 1/2 mile to work.

How was he playing with fire?
Are you saying he should have known that the IBT was going to throw autonomy to the wayside and sell out his members by enacting the travesty that is Art 12 sec 6 of the IBT Constitution, imposing the National Master and all its supplements?
How could anybody with as significant a bargaining chip as Worldport acquiesce to concessions while not addressing their members needs?
In hindsight, isn't it fair to say that Fred Z was unwittingly bargaining with UPS and IBT officials in the shadows?
Perhaps that's why UPS retreated from the better offer in "anticipation" of the contract being imposed anyway?
Or perhaps, they knew all along?
After all, they certainly were suspiciously patient while it all unfolded.

You're correct that Fred Z isn't the one wearing out shoes walking to work, but his continued service to those members is predicated on representing their needs, not feeding from the scraps at the negotiating table.
Opportunities were squandered as our union continues its downward spiral.

 

[Inthegame]

How was he playing with fire?

He started playing with fire in 2010 when he joined Gegare.

Are you saying he should have known that the IBT was going to throw autonomy to the wayside and sell out his members by enacting the travesty that is Art 12 sec 6 of the IBT Constitution, imposing the National Master and all its supplements?

Yep. He knew about Art 12 Sec 6 and he knew the box he put the IBT in by being intransigent. I believe he anticipated the IBT's strategy and got exactly what he thought he needed for his next challenge. Did Worldport just get built? Where was the concern in 2008? Why the massive outcry this time? Why stay silent when he was asked at the two-man if there were any issues? Why then go back to the safety of his local and tell fairy tales. Fred is not a chickenship as was proven at the convention. To keep quiet then and get loud later, is a political move.

How could anybody with as significant a bargaining chip as Worldport acquiesce to concessions while not addressing their members needs?
In hindsight, isn't it fair to say that Fred Z was unwittingly bargaining with UPS and IBT officials in the shadows?

I don't think Fred Z does anything unwittingly but political ambition makes people do odd things. You and I weren't at any L89 bargaining sessions. But unless I was lied to, the goal posts kept moving from the L89 side. That would piss off the Pope, hence UPS's backtrack.

You're correct that Fred Z isn't the one wearing out shoes walking to work, but his continued service to those members is predicated on representing their needs, not feeding from the scraps at the negotiating table.
Opportunities were squandered as our union continues its downward spiral.

He's a shrewd politician if nothing else. He'll never lose office as he can blame the big bad IBT for everything he failed to negotiate. Job security for life.

 

[wide load]

They should have backed that local 100%.

That would have helped resolve the issues this local was having.

UPS knew the international would step in and impose the contract.

So why would they continue to negotiate in good faith knowing this?

I wonder how they knew?

Inside man?

Very vague. Explain. How would they have backed the local in icing 250 drivers out the door? Your saying that the BA was on the money?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

N
NOWHERE NEAR THE COMPANY PLAN AS WE WERE PROMISED! Facts are facts!

Yawn.