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hyena

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Makes sense. Lmao. Now who is stealing votes away? So when Milwaukee holds out next contract on a supplemental issue of 4 no votes to 2 yes votes, that will be enough to hold out a year and a half for contractual changes. Yes hyena!! YES!! I so want to take your advice on everything including who to vote for in the next election!!!......NOT!
So you think that those guys supplements don't matter. They should just have the contract forced on them. I guess I'd stand beside people instead of turning my back on them. Their votes mattered too. Shouldn't you be in the partners forum (no offense to the good members of management).
 

wide load

Starting wage is a waste of time.
So you think that those guys supplements don't matter. They should just have the contract forced on them. I guess I'd stand beside people instead of turning my back on them. Their votes mattered too. Shouldn't you be in the partners forum (no offense to the good members of management).
The point in which I knew you would obviously miss is that why would it way on the international? Your local or area has a constitutional obligation to handle its business at a local level first. Your troll team brings up the fact about the 1/2 mile walk to the job setups. They already had a tram system in place. Why didn't Z-bag address this problem until after the supplemental negotiations?
 
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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The point in which I knew you would obviously miss is that why would it way on the international? Your local or area has a constitutional obligation to handle its business at a local level first. Your troll team brings up the fact about the 1/2 mile walk to the job setups. They already had a tram system in place. Why didn't Z-bag address this problem until after?

Are you talking about the shuttle? There was talk of a one-time "shuttle pay" of $1K during the early part of the negotiations.
 
Are you talking about the shuttle? There was talk of a one-time "shuttle pay" of $1K during the early part of the negotiations.
At one point in the local 89 negotiations z proposed that ups buy every member a cell phone and pay their bill. This was th kind of negotiations it was. Sounds cool right?
 

hyena

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The point in which I knew you would obviously miss is that why would it way on the international? Your local or area has a constitutional obligation to handle its business at a local level first. Your troll team brings up the fact about the 1/2 mile walk to the job setups. They already had a tram system in place. Why didn't Z-bag address this problem until after the supplemental negotiations?
So now we're back to the name calling . You guys just cant debate can you. Trolls hahaha why because people have different opinions then you. * ( or whatever he wants to call himself these days)and his propaganda machine just never stop.
 
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hyena

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At one point in the local 89 negotiations z proposed that ups buy every member a cell phone and pay their bill. This was th kind of negotiations it was. Sounds cool right?
Negotiations have to start somewhere lol. Let's have that accusation confirmed by local 89 members.
 

Bubblehead

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He started playing with fire in 2010 when he joined Gegare.
Playing with fire, or shrewd visionary.
With recent and current event in mind, I'll pick the latter.
Did Worldport just get built? Where was the concern in 2008? Why the massive outcry this time?
Worldport is still being built and has been in a constant state of expansion since it opened under its present name in 2002.
As it was explained to me when I visited, each expansion has pushed their employee parking further and further away from the employee entrances and security gates, as well as lengthening their shuttle rides to their work areas.
Whether this issue was brought up in previous negotiations, I don't know?
I am quite sure however, that if it wasn't, it certainly wasn't subject to any statute of limitations.
It was for sure a real problem and a hotbed issue in 2013-14, I saw it with my own eyes.
Why stay silent when he was asked at the two-man if there were any issues? Why then go back to the safety of his local and tell fairy tales. Fred is not a chickenship as was proven at the convention. To keep quiet then and get loud later, is a political move.
This makes him no different than anybody else in that room, then does it?
With 18 supplements failing subsequently, it makes me suspicious of the whole "two man meeting" in general.
From what I have been able to ascertain, from multiple sources from several locals, is that this meeting was nothing more than an old school dog and pony show, equivalent to a high school pep assembly.
There was a whirlwind presentation followed by a quick overture to field questions, and before anybody had time to digest the previously undisclosed offer, a motion was brought to the floor and seconded to take this crappy contract back to the members and nobody opposed.
I figure most to either be too scared or too confused to mount an argument at that time.
Does that make Fred Z guilty of staying silent, yes, but again it doesn't make him special.
What makes him special is that he did have the guts to rise up against a concession filled contract after he had time to consider all that was presented.
I don't think Fred Z does anything unwittingly but political ambition makes people do odd things. You and I weren't at any L89 bargaining sessions. But unless I was lied to, the goal posts kept moving from the L89 side. That would piss off the Pope, hence UPS's backtrack.
I don't think having ambitions and goals are necessarily a bad thing?
Everybody in an elevated position of authority in our union had to have been in this position at one time or another.
It's grossly unfair to automatically consider a label of "someone with political ambitions" as something unsavory or underhanded.
Competition is healthy and a great motivator to those already in office.
As far as we not being at these L89 negotiations, I couldn't agree more.
As far as what you were told, I don't believe I can take any of that as gospel and I feel it is very possible that you were lied to, as we the membership were lied to throughout the entire process.
He's a shrewd politician if nothing else. He'll never lose office as he can blame the big bad IBT for everything he failed to negotiate. Job security for life.
I can't believe that platform would give anybody "job security for life".
The members want results and from what I have seen, he gets them when his own organization doesn't undermine his efforts.
 
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All I am saying is they need a new spiel to march their new names.

I have not changed my name.
Take it easy Angela Lansberry. This ain't no Matlock. You really aren't curing cancer. This is a message board. You are taking it real serious. Spend a little time with the family. I'm sure your husband wants you to relax a little.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Take it easy Angela Lansberry. This ain't no Matlock. You really aren't curing cancer. This is a message board. You are taking it real serious. Spend a little time with the family. I'm sure your husband wants you to relax a little.
Now I know why you were banned.
 

hyena

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So now we're back to the name calling . You guys just cant debate can you. Trolls hahaha why because people have different opinions then you. * ( or whatever he wants to call himself these days)and his propaganda machine just never stop.
I can't use screen names ? I'm confused.
I said nothing insulting.
 
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