I will not discuss particular numbers, but I will say that the people being promoted now, are starting much less, than they would've five years ago. The problem is they are young, and have stars in their eyes when they get the offer. Nowadays they can start some young person off, give them a little authority, and pay them 25 percent less than what they would've even 3-5 years ago lets say. I think with a younger generation in some respects, the starting pay for a new Driver Sup, is only about ten or twenty percent more than driver starting pay.