1989
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Put a little fire in there with him.
I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism
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DriveInDriveOut
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Vantexican said a Seattle businessman paid all his workers the same and went out of business because of it.
I said that was fake news.
A random Marxist in Michigan is unrelated. You're just making up stuff about what I said now.
1989
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I think lil Ricky posted that once. I know of 3-4 co ops that went under since 2010. They are not well publicized.
A random marxist business going under is more relevant to ricky than any co op.
Do you think Ricky’s co ops are the outright solution? And are they as easy to start and maintain like Ricky says?
DriveInDriveOut
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I think vantexican is full of crap.
I think you're right. Need to go take a dump. Actually I looked into that business I mentioned. Forget the name now, but back when the young CEO raised everyone's pay to at least $70k a year, he took a pay cut from $1.1 million to $70k himself. Conservative pundits called it socialism and said it unraveled because some at company were disgruntled that they were all receiving same pay. Turns out company is thriving, and average pay there now is over $100k. Of course in fairness it's a small company in a lucrative business. Doesn't translate into every business. FedEx for instance can't just double everyone's pay like he did. The revenue just isn't there. But I'm all for companies being as generous as they realistically can be. Why not?
im not denying that, but to repeat what i said coops are less likely to go bankrupt than capitalist business
heyyy what are you doing here???
yea but with our system its usually the opposite.
ive worked at 5 jobs probably more where me or other workers dont work hard comparable to communism" work ethic.
1989
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Do you have statistics to support that?
If a co op is going under, the employees are more likely to go down with the ship. If ups start going under, I’m jumping ship.
guys are slacking because theyre paid by the hour aka capitalism isnt that efficient.
guys are slacking because they want to enjoy life. the harder you work the less you enjoy.
1989
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Please show your statistics.
yea ive even posted the infograph here.
if UPS goes under then alot of workers lose their jobs, and what about their pensions. but your right: capitalism centralizes power, alot of risks, and alot of rewards.
The latest figures reveal that co-operative start-ups are almost twice as likely to survive their first five years when compared to companies. Only 44.1% of companies make it through those difficult opening years while 80.4% of co-ops are still going strong.
https://reports.uk.coop/economy2018/
1989
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Ups doesn’t hold $51,000 of my pension.
1989
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Nothing in here about why the slackers don’t like to work. Do you any US statistics?
its probably pretty similar. you should look it up and inform yourself for a change.
The 8 Most Important Labor Stories of 2018
6. Teamsters leadership flouted union democracy at United Parcel Service (UPS).
But in a year when Amazon workers made huge strides, more than 240,000 UPS workers fell behind. UPS is both a provider for and a competitor to Amazon. When the latter, non-union company announced it was bumping employees’ minimum wage to $15 an hour, it added insult to injury for unionized UPS workers who had just been offered a new contract containing a starting pay of $13, with no “catch-up raises” for those who had been underpaid for years.
Incredibly, thanks to a massive “vote no” campaign and a viral YouTube video called “Why the UPS 2018 Contract Sucks!” 54 percent of rank-and-file members voted in October to reject the deal. Even more incredibly, Teamster brass quickly announced that they would ratify it anyway, citing a loophole in the union’s constitution.
As Joe Allen wrote in Jacobin, Teamsters President James Hoffa’s bid to side with the bosses will have far-reaching consequences:
Hoffa’s sabotage at UPS is not only a catastrophe for UPS Teamsters — it is a gift to antiunion forces in the Janus era. If a boss wanted to make up a story to defeat a fledgling union drive — with indifferent union leaders who collect members’ dues, negotiate a contract with a lower starting pay than non-union Amazon, and then flagrantly ignore those workers’ clearly and democratically stated objections to that contract — they couldn’t come up with one as good as what’s just played out between UPS and the Teamsters.
6. Teamsters leadership flouted union democracy at United Parcel Service (UPS).
But in a year when Amazon workers made huge strides, more than 240,000 UPS workers fell behind. UPS is both a provider for and a competitor to Amazon. When the latter, non-union company announced it was bumping employees’ minimum wage to $15 an hour, it added insult to injury for unionized UPS workers who had just been offered a new contract containing a starting pay of $13, with no “catch-up raises” for those who had been underpaid for years.
Incredibly, thanks to a massive “vote no” campaign and a viral YouTube video called “Why the UPS 2018 Contract Sucks!” 54 percent of rank-and-file members voted in October to reject the deal. Even more incredibly, Teamster brass quickly announced that they would ratify it anyway, citing a loophole in the union’s constitution.
As Joe Allen wrote in Jacobin, Teamsters President James Hoffa’s bid to side with the bosses will have far-reaching consequences:
Hoffa’s sabotage at UPS is not only a catastrophe for UPS Teamsters — it is a gift to antiunion forces in the Janus era. If a boss wanted to make up a story to defeat a fledgling union drive — with indifferent union leaders who collect members’ dues, negotiate a contract with a lower starting pay than non-union Amazon, and then flagrantly ignore those workers’ clearly and democratically stated objections to that contract — they couldn’t come up with one as good as what’s just played out between UPS and the Teamsters.
DriveInDriveOut
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Wut?
You know full well if ups goes under so does your pension.
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