I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

[rickyb]

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This is what life was like before Mao. Babies starved to death in the streets, regular political executions, etc. Mao inherited a completely ed country of mostly oppressed illiterate peasants, a country that had been raped by warlords and foreigners for hundreds of years.
An oppressed country under imperialism.

I kind of got respect for these communist people and can see the logic of what they did and how they were shaped by their environments to arrive at that conclusion. Hard times for sure.

But these little piss ants living in modern day america calling for communism have no ing clue what they are talking about. It’s why these super authoritarian regimes dragged their country out of the pits of hell and into the modern era, then started to introduce capitalism for further progress. Communism really was the lesser of two evils for these countries and strong authoritarian leadership was completely necessary for creating the country.

china still has tons of govt intervention in teh economy.

if you want to learn more about china look up david harvey, michael hudson.

 

[vantexan]

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This is what life was like before Mao. Babies starved to death in the streets, regular political executions, etc. Mao inherited a completely ed country of mostly oppressed illiterate peasants, a country that had been raped by warlords and foreigners for hundreds of years.
An oppressed country under imperialism.

I kind of got respect for these communist people and can see the logic of what they did and how they were shaped by their environments to arrive at that conclusion. Hard times for sure.

But these little piss ants living in modern day america calling for communism have no ing clue what they are talking about. It’s why these super authoritarian regimes dragged their country out of the pits of hell and into the modern era, then started to introduce capitalism for further progress. Communism really was the lesser of two evils for these countries and strong authoritarian leadership was completely necessary for creating the country.

The communists were no saviors. Saw a video the other day about decisions they made that had a huge impact. Was determined that sparrows ate a small amount of wheat annually and when added up it amounted to something the government found unacceptable. So it was ordered that all sparrows must die. They almost went extinct in China. Turned out the sparrows were the chief controllers of pests, especially locusts, who ate a lot more wheat and other crops than the sparrows ever did. Resulted in plagues of locusts that decimated crops and caused famines that killed millions. The communists were making very little headway economically until they relented to allow capitalism. That and the West moving so much manufacturing there made all the difference.

 

[rickyb]

The communists were no saviors. Saw a video the other day about decisions they made that had a huge impact. Was determined that sparrows ate a small amount of wheat annually and when added up it amounted to something the government found unacceptable. So it was ordered that all sparrows must die. They almost went extinct in China. Turned out the sparrows were the chief controllers of pests, especially locusts, who ate a lot more wheat and other crops than the sparrows ever did. Resulted in plagues of locusts that decimated crops and caused famines that killed millions. The communists were making very little headway economically until they relented to allow capitalism. That and the West moving so much manufacturing there made all the difference.

russia a number 2 super power until it collapsed and called itself communist

 

[vantexan]

russia a number 2 super power until it collapsed and called itself communist

Russia before communism wasn't a super power.

 

[rickyb]

Russia before communism wasn't a super power.

they were invaded by americans, japan, and forget the other 2 after tehy went "communist"

 

[vantexan]

they were invaded by americans, japan, and forget the other 2 after tehy went "communist"

When did the U.S. invade Russia? And the Russians fought a war with Japan in 1904-1905 that they lost. That was before they were communist.

 

[rickyb]

When did the U.S. invade Russia? And the Russians fought a war with Japan in 1904-1905 that they lost. That was before they were communist.

think it was around 1919. russia, japan, uk i think, and america, and one other country.

did russia ever invade us? noooo

 

[El Correcto]

The communists were no saviors. Saw a video the other day about decisions they made that had a huge impact. Was determined that sparrows ate a small amount of wheat annually and when added up it amounted to something the government found unacceptable. So it was ordered that all sparrows must die. They almost went extinct in China. Turned out the sparrows were the chief controllers of pests, especially locusts, who ate a lot more wheat and other crops than the sparrows ever did. Resulted in plagues of locusts that decimated crops and caused famines that killed millions. The communists were making very little headway economically until they relented to allow capitalism. That and the West moving so much manufacturing there made all the difference.

Yes that is a well known famine related story of peasants murdered the sparrows.
You have to keep in mind china was behind the West by about 200 years I’ve heard it estimated.

 

[vantexan]

Yes that is a well known famine related story of peasants murdered the sparrows.
You have to keep in mind china was behind the West by about 200 years I’ve heard it estimated.

They also fought us to a standstill in Korea.

 

[vantexan]

think it was around 1919. russia, japan, uk i think, and america, and one other country.

did russia ever invade us? noooo

The U.S. never invaded Russia.

 

[rickyb]

The U.S. never invaded Russia.

think about it: russia had a communist revolution. america always becomes involved when stuff like that happens to maintain capitalist domination over society

 

[vantexan]

think about it: russia had a communist revolution. america always becomes involved when stuff like that happens to maintain capitalist domination over society

You said the U.S. invaded Russia. And the U.S. wasn't even considered a superpower in 1919. Japan didn't invade in 1919 either. Even the guys you are always referring to like Nader, Chomsky, Wolff, etc have never said this. You can't be taken seriously if you aren't historically accurate.

 

[rickyb]

You said the U.S. invaded Russia. And the U.S. wasn't even considered a superpower in 1919. Japan didn't invade in 1919 either. Even the guys you are always referring to like Nader, Chomsky, Wolff, etc have never said this. You can't be taken seriously if you aren't historically accurate.

richard wolff says it not sure if the year is correct its around that time, and US was an empire back then but not the superpower it became after wwII

 

[vantexan]

richard wolff says it not sure if the year is correct its around that time, and US was an empire back then but not the superpower it became after wwII

The U.S. had some possessions but Great Britain was the superpower. That however was starting to unravel. But the U.S. absolutely, positively, didn't invade Russia.

 

[vantexan]

richard wolff says it not sure if the year is correct its around that time, and US was an empire back then but not the superpower it became after wwII

Still waiting on you to clarify when the U.S. according to you invaded Russia......

 

[rickyb]

Still waiting on you to clarify when the U.S. according to you invaded Russia......

already did.

if i hear richard wolff mention it again, ill quote him. hes mentioned it alot lol

 

[vantexan]

russia a number 2 super power until it collapsed and called itself communist

Russia called itself communist before it became a superpower. And wasn't a superpower until it became the dominant "republic" in the Soviet Union. Russia was nowhere being a superpower in the 1800's-early 1900's.

 

[rickyb]

Russia called itself communist before it became a superpower. And wasn't a superpower until it became the dominant "republic" in the Soviet Union. Russia was nowhere being a superpower in the 1800's-early 1900's.

yea so thats pretty incredible it called itself "communist" and then became number 2 super power.

or maybe it wasnt number 2.

 

[vantexan]

yea so thats pretty incredible it called itself "communist" and then became number 2 super power.

or maybe it wasnt number 2.

It became a superpower because it focused all of its wealth on its military and nuclear weapons. Economically I've seen it said it was basically India with a huge military. It didn't become a superpower because it was communist. And ultimately it collapsed because it was communist and couldn't sustain itself economically.

 

[vantexan]

already did.

if i hear richard wolff mention it again, ill quote him. hes mentioned it alot lol

No, you didn't. When did the U.S. invade Russia Ricky?