olroadbeech
Happy Verified UPSer
it's not worth it
give up , roll over , and assume room temperature.
give up , roll over , and assume room temperature.
I tried...
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PT Car Washer
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I averaged about 4.5 hours a day preloading. No over 70's and only a couple of carts of irregs for the entire belt. I could walk through the package cars right up to the point of wrap up and we were given the time to load stop by stop and accurately keep track of stop counts. All for $.50/hr less then top driver pay after 90 days. Did ever tell you how hard we had it back in the day before PAL labels.
Brown287
Im not the Mail Man!
Well you must of been a piss poor loader cause the real men had a bit more in their plate then that.
browntroll
Well-Known Member
every hub is different but for some reason preloaders always get pressured the most, since im in pickoff i literally see
who the pt sups dont like by the way they supervise(watch) certain ppl. we have preloaders try to leave to small sort and other
areas cause of this, im still trying to inform new ppl on the contract we even have management telling ppl it sucks lol.
who the pt sups dont like by the way they supervise(watch) certain ppl. we have preloaders try to leave to small sort and other
areas cause of this, im still trying to inform new ppl on the contract we even have management telling ppl it sucks lol.
"Why would we ever go driving, that job sucks"
Yes, it does suck unless you're a senior driver who's paid his/her dues and gets left alone. Driving sucks because UPS management decides to let it. It's not the physical strains or hours that make it suck. It's the boot camp mentality of the center managers and trainers along with a couple other things that make zero sense.
1. I've talked to several part-timers who DQ themselves within a week because their trainer and/or center manager talk to them like the boot camp guy in Full Metal Jacket. One guy who was a hard worker as a sorter and is one of the nicest guys in the building told me his trainer is constantly yelling, swearing and riding his ass about every little thing after only a few days out on the road. Then the trainer's boss tells him the trainer is the most patient one! What is wrong with these people? I got a SMALL hint of this doing Saturday driving but at least with me they were professional just demanding. If UPS is paying us to take the class why are they trying to make us fail? I heard for that center only TWO of the last 17 applicants passed the 30 days! I can understand stepping up the pressure and demands after 2 weeks but these guys are out of control and basically getting off on being bullies.
2. Even though 90%+ trucks are automatic the driving tests are being done on European stick shift vehicles. Just give it up already and get these junkers out of the system! Nobody under 30 drives stick.
3. New drivers are supposed to remember 5 stops in a row by memory. With today's technology why don't they ditch the diad for a tablet that can be quickly docked in to the dash as a GPS with a speaker? Customer signs the tablet, hit a couple buttons, plug it into the port on dash, screen shows you where the next stop is and can even guide you there audibly if you need help. OR they could use a diad / dash GPS combo that are synced together so the driver can leave the diad in the holder.
When I did Saturday driving I bought a color GPS with a 2 hour battery life. I used Orion in the morning to map out my first 5-7 stops and after that used the GPS in my pocket to guide me to the rest of them. It made driving SO much easier for the residential stops!
Yes, it does suck unless you're a senior driver who's paid his/her dues and gets left alone. Driving sucks because UPS management decides to let it. It's not the physical strains or hours that make it suck. It's the boot camp mentality of the center managers and trainers along with a couple other things that make zero sense.
1. I've talked to several part-timers who DQ themselves within a week because their trainer and/or center manager talk to them like the boot camp guy in Full Metal Jacket. One guy who was a hard worker as a sorter and is one of the nicest guys in the building told me his trainer is constantly yelling, swearing and riding his ass about every little thing after only a few days out on the road. Then the trainer's boss tells him the trainer is the most patient one! What is wrong with these people? I got a SMALL hint of this doing Saturday driving but at least with me they were professional just demanding. If UPS is paying us to take the class why are they trying to make us fail? I heard for that center only TWO of the last 17 applicants passed the 30 days! I can understand stepping up the pressure and demands after 2 weeks but these guys are out of control and basically getting off on being bullies.
2. Even though 90%+ trucks are automatic the driving tests are being done on European stick shift vehicles. Just give it up already and get these junkers out of the system! Nobody under 30 drives stick.
3. New drivers are supposed to remember 5 stops in a row by memory. With today's technology why don't they ditch the diad for a tablet that can be quickly docked in to the dash as a GPS with a speaker? Customer signs the tablet, hit a couple buttons, plug it into the port on dash, screen shows you where the next stop is and can even guide you there audibly if you need help. OR they could use a diad / dash GPS combo that are synced together so the driver can leave the diad in the holder.
When I did Saturday driving I bought a color GPS with a 2 hour battery life. I used Orion in the morning to map out my first 5-7 stops and after that used the GPS in my pocket to guide me to the rest of them. It made driving SO much easier for the residential stops!
Dragon
Package Center Manager
and our drivers....
F
Frankie's Friend
Guest
Not all of them.
If they dont make it or qualify as a driver they become management.
The bar is set so low that anyone can qualify.
OrioN
double tap o da horn dooshbag
Holy cow, u just described what a subcontractor for FedEx is doing! Using ground cloud and apple tablets mounted on the center of the dashboard for his drivers...
It's not sync to the powerpads though.
I'm using Garmin GPS that links to my powerpad in the morning. Shuffle some stops around & go in sequence the whole day, stress free. (HD has mostly resis pickups that's usually rts, no business pickups and no nda)
The Range
In too deep
If the union wanted informed involvement it would engage all new members with a crisp contract and an overview of basic rights and expectations. That's the foundation. Instead, we have members pointing out the obvious while not understanding the implications: 18-year-olds, participating in a first job geared towards poor people (lower iq), can't carry a vote. Therefore, it is all part-timers at direct fault for making significantly less money and enjoying fewer rights when compared to their counterparts. Part-timers should have their own contract if the union nefariously chooses not to engage new members. Those of us who have zero interest in full-time will regain our voice that is drowned out by full-timers with (typically) conflicting interests.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I've talked to a few part timers about the contract. My take away is I really don't want them to vote at all. Same goes for most of the feeder drivers I've talked to.
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
Every feeder driver I've talked to is a YES. They don't even care as long as the pension/health is good and they get a raise.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Reading the subcontracting language it's a big NO for me.
When I explain the negatives their response is usually along the lines of, 'well that won't affect my run'. Granted I'm in the RTW South.
Informing people seems to be a double edged sword. Most probably won't vote. If I push a NO vote, they might be convinced, but they'll probably just get scared they'll have to wait for a raise and get motivated to vote Yes.
olroadbeech
Happy Verified UPSer
preloaders have the hardest job at UPS????
thanks for the laugh
thanks for the laugh
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
How long were you a preloader?
The loads you took as a stripper don't count.
Tell them they are going to loose their dollar sort raise.
Been saying the same thing for over 30 years. It was just different when they handed us a book map and a pickup log than all of this technology stuff. There has always been stress in this job.
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
Driving does suck, and that's why I don't want to do it. I liked the work just fine, but the environment and the timing of the hours meant I'd be stressed and never see my family. Having a good life with them is the whole point of having a job, so forget that.
You could just tell them that they'll get more money from a 'no' vote. If that's what they want, odds are that senior part-timers might get a catch-up or newer ones get to 15 faster, or something. But there is no way that a "no" vote leads to them getting a worse contract than this one.
They should vote "no" even if they only care about themselves and don't want to drive.
You could just tell them that they'll get more money from a 'no' vote. If that's what they want, odds are that senior part-timers might get a catch-up or newer ones get to 15 faster, or something. But there is no way that a "no" vote leads to them getting a worse contract than this one.
They should vote "no" even if they only care about themselves and don't want to drive.
Mooseknuckle
Well-Known Member
I agree with you. Think about it. Scare tactics are by far the cheapest alternative for the company. Getting people to think that it gets worse from here if you vote no. It also serves the same purpose as the two tier wage TO DIVIDE US.
llamainmypocket
Well-Known Member
Don't be a pusillanimous. Vote no.
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