moreluck
golden ticket member
We can find a stray steer from a herd of hundreds of thousands..........we can find those who overstay their visas.........Let's "chip" them all!!
Immigration
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Being hispanic, I would have no trouble on the border. I speak the language and dont feel threatened at all. Maybe if I was rednecked, I would have to worry, but fortunately, my people came from this land long before any of you.
Peace.
TOS
Re: Immigration and Reasonable People
What "we" need is for guys like you to be educated and learn to formulate your own thoughts based on the facts on the ground vs. some ideological nonsense told to you by a political party. I presented to you the facts of immigration and all you counter with is name calling? Uber this, uber that, thats the best you can come up with?
You may live in a border state, but that doesnt mean you have insight on how your state became infiltrated with illegal aliens. Simply seeing them on your streets doesnt make you an expert. You seem to pride yourself on repeating the talking points of a political party that occupys your thoughts because they know how to strike a cord with people like you. It isnt that tough. Hatred is the easiest feeling to motivate.
How about you educate yourself instead of demonstrating your lack of education? How about some links to inform you?
HB 2757 - The Guest Worker Program for the Republican Party | Facebook
"""Republicans can fill the void left by Democrat leaders, who seek unlimited
immigration with no rules and no restrictions — in other words, open borders.
What might Republican immigration reform legislation look like? Consider the
following:
Since 2000, the GOP has allowed over 12 million undocumented workers into this country and they never left. Now, in 2012, the GOP believes that there is a JOB VOID and feel that GUEST WORKER VISAS are the answer to fill those voids.
Arlen Specters view of guest workers in the USA
workingimmigrants.com: Sen. Specter Guest Worker bill to expand foreign worker programs for professionals
Now, I can post literally hundreds of stories of GOP members attempting to flood our country with guest workers who OVERSTAY the visas and become illegal, but I would hope this peek into reality opens your eyes to the real problem of immigration.
Once a guest worker enters this country, according to todays laws, he is on his own to go home, if he doesnt, nothing happens. That person then works, saves money, and uses the coyotes to bring his family across the desert, or if he saves enough, applies for tourist visas for his family and they simply FLY INTO LAX.
You can stand at the border and shake your fist all you want, but you wont stop the 92% of the remaining illegals coming into this country.
Peace.
TOS
Typical uber ultra left wing garbage. Can anyone find me that smiley that throws up!!
It is amazing how an uber left wing zealot can sit there and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about. I have lived 59 years in a border state. Most of that time was spent with in 100 miles of the Mexican border. I don't need some uber left wing zealot to tell me about immigration statistics.
I have actually experienced the landscape of my communities change due to illegal immigration. Zealots on the right or the left get in the way of the rest of the country from dealing with important issues that moderate thinkers on the right and the left need to deal with. The reason we can't make progress in dealing with issues is because of these factions. They talk louder than the other 80%.
An uber left wing zealot would have you believe that all Republicans are bigots, racists, religious fanatics, haters, and the cause of all of Americas problems... I could go on and on. These zealots have hate and contempt for those people who do not share their views. They are the same people who talk of "Peace".
Fortunately, a reasonable person with liberal or conservative views knows how these zealots think and act and realize that if things are going to get done, reasonable people will need to come together to fix the issues that affect America. A reasonable person also knows that if we are going to make America a better place we will have to discount the thought process of zealots and work within the framework of the other 80% of the American ingenuity that brings diverse solutions to fruition.
Let there be no mistake. Diversity provides strength.
My frustration is this: We need strong, powerful, dynamic leaders who realize that the strength in America is bringing diverse thinking, ideas and compromise to solutions that will stand the test of time. Kind of like our Founders did when they came up with the Constitution.
What "we" need is for guys like you to be educated and learn to formulate your own thoughts based on the facts on the ground vs. some ideological nonsense told to you by a political party. I presented to you the facts of immigration and all you counter with is name calling? Uber this, uber that, thats the best you can come up with?
You may live in a border state, but that doesnt mean you have insight on how your state became infiltrated with illegal aliens. Simply seeing them on your streets doesnt make you an expert. You seem to pride yourself on repeating the talking points of a political party that occupys your thoughts because they know how to strike a cord with people like you. It isnt that tough. Hatred is the easiest feeling to motivate.
How about you educate yourself instead of demonstrating your lack of education? How about some links to inform you?
HB 2757 - The Guest Worker Program for the Republican Party | Facebook
"""Republicans can fill the void left by Democrat leaders, who seek unlimited
immigration with no rules and no restrictions — in other words, open borders.
What might Republican immigration reform legislation look like? Consider the
following:
- The U.S. Congress, to resolve the immigration crisis, could pass a new guest
worker program improving on the 1942 Emergency Farm Labor Importation Program,
known as the Bracero program. This informal agreement between the United States
and Mexico created a legal guest worker program that permitted Mexicans to do
agricultural work in the United States as part of the war effort. The agreement
was finalized as law in 1951 and terminated in 1964. - A new guest worker program could provide foreign nationals with work visas
and biometric identification cards, allowing them to enter and reenter the
United States legally to work in agriculture, hospitality, and other areas
needing workers. Employers would file a need-based application for workers, and
guest worker visas would be based on the unavailability of U.S. citizens to fill
positions. Employers would pay minimum wage, maintain insurance for that type of
work, pay worker compensation premiums, and deduct taxes from guest worker
salaries. Guest workers would have the same work-place complaint remedies as
citizen workers. - Guest workers would be admitted for a defined period of months for
agricultural and unskilled jobs and for a defined period of years for
skilled/specialty work. Guest
worker visa renewals would be streamlined. Criminal activity by a guest
worker would result in deportation and would prohibit future application to the
program. - The U.S. State Department and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
could manage the entry and exit paperwork for guest workers to ensure that these
foreign nationals returned to their homelands as required. - Guest workers would be required to pass a health screen before entering the
country, as do legal immigrants. Guest workers who remain in the United States
for a number of years would be required to have an annual health check.
Read more on Newsmax Republicans
Can Fill Void With New Guest Worker Program
Since 2000, the GOP has allowed over 12 million undocumented workers into this country and they never left. Now, in 2012, the GOP believes that there is a JOB VOID and feel that GUEST WORKER VISAS are the answer to fill those voids.
Arlen Specters view of guest workers in the USA
workingimmigrants.com: Sen. Specter Guest Worker bill to expand foreign worker programs for professionals
Now, I can post literally hundreds of stories of GOP members attempting to flood our country with guest workers who OVERSTAY the visas and become illegal, but I would hope this peek into reality opens your eyes to the real problem of immigration.
Once a guest worker enters this country, according to todays laws, he is on his own to go home, if he doesnt, nothing happens. That person then works, saves money, and uses the coyotes to bring his family across the desert, or if he saves enough, applies for tourist visas for his family and they simply FLY INTO LAX.
You can stand at the border and shake your fist all you want, but you wont stop the 92% of the remaining illegals coming into this country.
Peace.
TOS
Babagounj
Strength through joy
And conquered the native people and stole their lands.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Of course, once they match the heads to the bodies, you'll find lots are hispanic. You're naive if you think 'they' wouldn't touch you.
UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
Now I get it... I now understand the reason for all the hate and gibberish as well as the reason for entitlement.
Time to pull out the race card. Can anyone say "RACIST" !!
Thanks for clearing it for little old dumb me! I now feels like me is ed-ge-cated.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
The owner of the Phoenix Suns basketball team,
Robert Sarver, came out strongly opposing AZ's new immigration laws.
Arizona 's Governor, Jan Brewer,
Arizona 's Governor, Jan Brewer,
released the following statement in response to Sarver's criticism of the new law:
"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the gate-crashers are but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn't be ejected.
Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?"
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer
"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the gate-crashers are but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn't be ejected.
Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?"
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
texan
Well-Known Member
I wanted to leave you a PM, but your mailbox is always full.
trplnkl
555
Re: Immigration and Reasonable People
The current estimates by the governments numbers on how many illegals are present at way light of the actual numbers because they don't even check many them for legal status. There are lots of ways to manipulate the numbers. I like the way the part of HB 2757 reads, I would have to read further on it before encouraging my reps to vote for it though.
You are right, republican administrations have been responsible for guest worker programs. On the other side, it has been democrat administrations that allowed, due to lack of deportation of over stayed visas, increase the number of illegals here. Now they aren't even deporting the illegals that are committing further crimes.
The current estimates by the governments numbers on how many illegals are present at way light of the actual numbers because they don't even check many them for legal status. There are lots of ways to manipulate the numbers. I like the way the part of HB 2757 reads, I would have to read further on it before encouraging my reps to vote for it though.
moreluck
golden ticket member
moreluck
golden ticket member
I bet the truth about aid to a foreign student (Obama) will come out after he's long out of office.
