island1fox
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rr,
Do you have any clue what reality is ??
People lobby ---business lobby-unions --lobby --various groups lobby --What is your point ???
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rr,
Do you have any clue what reality is ??
People lobby ---business lobby-unions --lobby --various groups lobby --What is your point ???
The point is, and its been said over and over on this board. People like you support the exportation of jobs because you believe corporations have the right to increase profits, but once that happens in a global scale, you complain about the collapse of the working man and his dependancy on his government.
Spain, Italy, Greece, the UK and the USA all exported jobs to the pacific rim to take advantage of slave wages, and in doing so, left the working people of those companies unemployed, broke and reliant on the government for help.
Maybe, just maybe, if you realized how having things made in china HURT this country and how americans BUYING foreign cars HURTS this country, then you will be able to see how a nation can be brought to its knees.
Until then, all you have is limbaughs opinions as he takes your money for newsletters and access to his stupid website of hate.
TOS.
island1fox
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TOS,
Your post makes even less sense than rr's
Read his Post -- a times article on Lobbies ? ?
Again-- hello-- what is the point ??
Obama said he was changing all that-- how's that working out for ya !!!
Your post makes even less sense than rr's
Read his Post -- a times article on Lobbies ? ?
Again-- hello-- what is the point ??
Obama said he was changing all that-- how's that working out for ya !!!
moreluck
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Your leader is OK with borrowing money from China!!! (instead of curtailing some spending.)
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Technically we don't borrow the money----the Chinese buy T-bills and other government securities----but the end result is the same.
ImWaitingForTheDay
Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
island1fox
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iwftd,
Relax people --Obamacare will eliminate another 2.5 million fulltime jobs.
The White House claims people are "choosing" to work part time ???
Makes them eligible for free healthcare and every thing else --that the middle class will pay for --rack up those overtime hours !!!
ImWaitingForTheDay
Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
Clueless faux response..Oh well at least your and your ilk are predictable like faux news ..
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Just curious if you ever try to support your position with a developed argument?
It seems I only see snarky snippets of leftist banter and insulting the people you don't agree with.
ImWaitingForTheDay
Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
I blame bush
island1fox
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iwftd,
Let me give you another FACT.
On Brown cafe Current events it is extremely obvious --that when a left leaning or liberal poster cannot respond with a coherent argument or fact ---they respond "Faux news--Fox news--Limbaugh --???
Predictable ??? No actually from Obama and the left --the Fox response is extremely worn out and old .
Go back to it was Bushes fault if the left cannot come up with new talking points. BORING
What the CBO really found was that the numbers of hours worked would decrease under Obamacare, by roughly 1.5 percent to 2 percent between 2017 and 2024. The report then translated those lost hours into the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs. But that doesn't mean 2.5 million jobs are going to disappear from the U.S. economy.
The CBO report, in fact, specifically undermines that claim. Those lost hours will "almost entirely" be the result of people choosing to work fewer hours because of Obamacare -- not because they lost their jobs or can't find a full-time job.
The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor, so it will appear almost entirely as a reduction in labor force participation and in hours worked relative to what would have occurred otherwise rather than as an increase in unemployment (that is, more workers seeking but not finding jobs) or underemployment (such as part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week).
This is exactly the kind of parroting that confuses people. FOX news and all of right wing radio is repeating this over and over even though the testimony from the cbo today REFUTES this claim.
The report itself refutes this claim and all anyone has to do is READ IT.
There is NOT a loss of 2.3 million jobs. 2.3 million people are NOT losing their job.
What they said was that over the next 10 years, employers will CUT hours for current and new workers and hire LESS full time positions replacing them with part time positions and when you ADD THIS ALL UP OVER 10 YEARS, it would amount to losing 2.3 million jobs.
A play on words and numbers.
Corporate America has begun hiring less full time employees for over 20 years now. Corporate America doesnt have the intention of having full time employees with benefits.
This is NOTHING new to America.
Now, with companies having to provide insurance, they are doing everything they can to ESCAPE that obligation by cutting hours and hiring only part time employees to avoid having to provide insurance.
I challenge you ISLAND or ANYONE else who believes the CBO said 2.4 million people will lose their jobs.
SHOW ME THE PART OF THE CBO WHERE IT SAYS 2.3 MILLION JOBS WILL ACTUALLY BE LOST. SHOW ME THE CBO REPORT and not some link to FOX NEWS or ANY other news source. CITE THE CBO statement itself.
Go for it.
TOS.
island1fox
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tos,
Sure. Obamacare is not encouraging Employers to limit the number of people working full time --and reducing peoples hours so that the Employer does not have to pay Health benefits.
Reducing hours --reduces full time jobs ---Obamacare will accelerate this process.
Keep telling yourself that this is not true --maybe you and a handful of others will believe it. Putting it in caps does not make it fact.
Now deny the fact --the Affordable Care Act does not apply to Employers with less than 50 FULL TIME employees --game over.
Take one full time job --reduce the hours --hire a part timer --No Obamacare ---Sure sounds like a plan to reduce unemployment !! Look at all the part time jobs that Obama will create.
Sure. Obamacare is not encouraging Employers to limit the number of people working full time --and reducing peoples hours so that the Employer does not have to pay Health benefits.
Reducing hours --reduces full time jobs ---Obamacare will accelerate this process.
Keep telling yourself that this is not true --maybe you and a handful of others will believe it. Putting it in caps does not make it fact.
Now deny the fact --the Affordable Care Act does not apply to Employers with less than 50 FULL TIME employees --game over.
Take one full time job --reduce the hours --hire a part timer --No Obamacare ---Sure sounds like a plan to reduce unemployment !! Look at all the part time jobs that Obama will create.
island1fox
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rr,
Read your OWN words ---lost hours translated to lost jobs.
How can anyone deny --The Affordable Care Act --Clearly defined the Employers that would be Mandated to Provide Healthcare ---those with over 50 full time employees.
The act went further and defined how many hours are worked are now legally defined as full or part time.
When Pelosi got it passed --so the Employers --among others --could see the disaster of what is in it --the Employer mandate was moved back ---and now MANY many Employers are converting from full time jobs to part time jobs.
Obama can claim -there are jobs being created --less people unemployed --more part time jobs --more dependent people.
An Employer with 51 employees --plus --has been given the time --to hire and train 51 more employees --while lowering the hours of present full time employees --at the same time dropping the healthcare benefits on the original 51 employees.
The Affordable care act was obviously composed by Rocket scientists.
Just like --For Obamacare to succeed --we need the young and healthy to sign up ---then the affordable care act --leaves them on their parents policy till 26 --and puts the pre-existing condition clause in ??
Definitely limits the number of young that will sign up immediately --they will sign up at 27 and only if they are sick !! Makes sense ???
The end result of all the extra spending the government does is more taxes for working folks, a lower standard of living, and a reduction of freedoms so that the government can "protect" us. All the charts or blaming others that anyone does will not change that no matter what side of the discussion you are on.
Again ISLAND... you simply repeat the FOX news talking points and then attempt to parade that you are the "informed" american.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/02/how-did-media-blow-it-so-bad-yesterdays-cbo-report
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/02/how-did-media-blow-it-so-bad-yesterdays-cbo-report
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