Is anyone following Wisconsin?

bbsam

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Staff member
Prove the Koch's are after private union's! Stop spreading lies! prove what you post here please if it is not well known!

Maybe the Koch's aren't. How about Scott Davis? Fred S might want to see union possibility at Fedex evaporate once and for all. If you think NAFTA created a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country, the next sound you hear may be the sucking sound of the American standard of living hitting the drain.
 

hubrat

Squeaky Wheel
Maybe the Koch's aren't. How about Scott Davis? Fred S might want to see union possibility at Fedex evaporate once and for all. If you think NAFTA created a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country, the next sound you hear may be the sucking sound of the American standard of living hitting the drain.

Prove the Koch's are after private union's! Stop spreading lies! prove what you post here please if it is not well known!

http://images2.americanprogressaction.org/ThinkProgress/secretkochmeeting.pdf

From page 6 of the agenda:
"From The nationalization of healthcare to the rising power of unions, as well as a push for major new climate and energy regulations, financial regulation, and even more government spending, there is no lack of threats for us to understand and address."
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
Cmon MSNBC stop it they r so one sided I want you to prove me wrong, When have they reported anything nice about the Tea Party?? In fact they report lies like the spitting incident when the witch and Dems paraded into congress before the health care vote, well nothing was proven about the spitting nor the racial slurs but MSNBC still reported it, LIARS LIARS LIARS

What nice things have the emTea Party nuts done?? A group of truly clueless folk funded by the powerful corporations and organizations like Americans for Prosperity (funded by Big Business and the Chamber of Commerce) LOL.
 

hubrat

Squeaky Wheel
A Little more history on your Koch boys:

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=koch_industries_1

"Both Koch and the JBS have little use for minorities; of African-Americans, Koch will write, “The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America,” and he will say that government welfare programs were designed to attract large numbers of blacks to the cities, where they would foment “a vicious race war."

"Koch’s two sons, David and Charles, will have their father’s political views deeply ingrained into them (see August 30, 2010). In 2007, David Koch will tell a reporter: “He was constantly speaking to us children about what was wrong with government.… It’s something I grew up with—a fundamental point of view that big government was bad, and imposition of government controls on our lives and economic fortunes was not good.” Gus diZerega, once a close friend of Charles’s, will later say that the brothers transfer their father’s hatred of Communism to the US government, which they will come to view as a tyranny."

Read on. These jerks' true allegiance is clear.

"Lee Fang, writing for the liberal blog ThinkProgress (an arm of the Center for American Progress), calls the Kochs “the billionaires behind the hate.” Some believe that the Kochs have either skirted, or outright broken, laws controlling tax-exempt giving. Charitable foundations must conduct exclusively nonpartisan activities that promote the public welfare. But in 2004, a report by the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy, a watchdog group, describes the Kochs’ foundations as being self-serving, and concludes, “These foundations give money to nonprofit organizations that do research and advocacy on issues that impact the profit margin of Koch Industries.” The Kochs also use their charitable foundations to fund hard-right political organizations that, according to reporter Jane Mayer, “aim to push the country in a libertarian direction,” including: the Institute for Justice, which files lawsuits opposing state and federal regulations; the Institute for Humane Studies, which underwrites libertarian academics; and the Bill of Rights Institute, which promotes a conservative interpretation of the Constitution. David Koch acknowledges that the family exerts tight ideological control. “If we’re going to give a lot of money, we’ll make darn sure they spend it in a way that goes along with our intent,” he tells a reporter. “And if they make a wrong turn and start doing things we don’t agree with, we withdraw funding.” "

"Second-Largest Private Industry in US - Koch Industries, a $100 billion conglomerate, garners most of its profits from oil refineries and associated interests; it owns the firms that manufacture Brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber and paper products, Stainmaster carpet, and Lycra fabric. Koch Industries is the second largest private company in the US after Cargill, and taken together, the Koch brothers’ fortune of some $35 billion places them just behind Microsoft’s Bill Gates and Wall Street financier Warren Buffett as the nation’s richest people. "

"Longtime Libertarians - Personally, the Koch brothers espouse a libertarian philosophy—drastic reductions in corporate and personal taxes, huge cuts in government expenditures on social services, and widespread deregulation of industry, particularly environmental. Koch Industries was recently listed in the top 10 of US air polluters, and has for years funded organizations that oppose climate change, giving even more than ExxonMobil to organizations, foundations, and think tanks that work to derail or overturn climate change legislation. Koch funds so many different organizations that oppose various initiatives of the Obama administration that Washington insiders call the Koch ideological network the “Kochtopus.” While the Koch brothers have protested being characterized as major supporters of the right-wing agenda—David Koch has complained that the “radical press” is intent on making him and his brother into “whipping boys”—Charles Lewis, the founder of the Center for Public Integrity, says: “The Kochs are on a whole different level. There’s no one else who has spent this much money. The sheer dimension of it is what sets them apart. They have a pattern of lawbreaking, political manipulation, and obfuscation. I’ve been in Washington since Watergate, and I’ve never seen anything like it. They are the Standard Oil of our times.” The Kochs have embraced the pure free-market ideology of economist Friedrich von Hayek, who argued that any form of centralized government would lead to totalitarianism and that only complete, unregulated capitalism could ensure freedom. Many “tea party” supporters, such as Fox News host Glenn Beck, have openly embraced von Hayek’s ideals. "
 
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804brown

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aQUOTE=1timepu;811051]Prove the Koch's are after private union's! Stop spreading lies! prove what you post here please if it is not well known![/QUOTE]

The Koch's (pronounced like coke) go way back in right wing politics. Fred Koch was a founder of the far right John Birch Society. David and Charles own the nation's largest privately owned energy company. They also are big funders of the far right wing CATO Institute which believes unions, all unions, are anticapitalist entities that should be smashed. They are for unbridled , unregulated, wild-west capitalism. Their ideal country is China: unregulated capitlsmand a strong grip on the people! These nuts even think that public schools and public libraries are communism. LOL.
 

over9five

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Why haven't the runaway Dems returned to work? The anti- Union bill has expired. I heard they sent a "List of Demands" to be met before they'd come back. They sound like terrorists now.

Are they still doing the right thing????
 

brett636

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LOL. Yes. That's the power of minority status. Republicans used it beautifully for the past two years. I didn't know the Dems knew how to play this role. Good for them.

I guess it is what democrats do best. Destroy jobs and opportunity for the purpose of maintaining and expanding their political coffers..
 

Bubblehead

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LOL. Yes. That's the power of minority status. Republicans used it beautifully for the past two years. I didn't know the Dems knew how to play this role. Good for them.

Absolutely!!
Perhaps the naysayers would prefer the Dems show up and a quorum is is achieved?
No show=no vote.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 

hubrat

Squeaky Wheel
A little more Koch dirt for you, from http://www.manataka.org/page1173.html

"In the 1980s, Charles Koch was found to have pilfered about $3 worth of crude from Stanlee Ann Mattingly's oil tank in Oklahoma. Here's the weird part. Koch was (and remains) the 14th richest man on the planet, worth about $14 billion. Stanlee Ann was a dirt-poor Osage Indian.

Stanlee Ann wasn't Koch's only victim. According to secret tape recordings of a former top executive of his company, Koch Industries, the billionaire demanded that oil tanker drivers secretly siphon a few bucks worth of oil from every tank attached to a stripper well on the Osage Reservation where Koch had a contract to retrieve crude.

Koch, according to the tape, would, "giggle" with joy over the records of the theft.Koch's own younger brother Bill ratted him out, complaining that, in effect, brothers Charles and David cheated him out of his fair share of the looting which totaled over three-quarters of a billion dollars from the Native lands.

The FBI filmed the siphoning with hidden cameras, but criminal charges were quashed after quiet objections from Republican senators."
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
Prove the Koch's are after private union's! Stop spreading lies! prove what you post here please if it is not well known!

As per Tim Phillips, the former lobbying partner of jailed lobbyist jack Abramoff and current president of rt wing Americans for Prosperity, a front group financed by David Koch, told the NY Times that Koch operatives "had worked behind the scenes to try to encourage a union showdown." Anothe Koch-financed group American Legislative Exchange Council has prepped the Repub lawmakers in wisconsin with anti-labor legislative ideas.

Listen, these guys invested $ 1MILLION in the repub governors group last year. And their investment paid off by trying to take down the labor movement in this country state by state!
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
I guess it is what democrats do best. Destroy jobs and opportunity for the purpose of maintaining and expanding their political coffers..
An excerpt from an article by Ralph Nader:

Here at home, the political system is a two-party dictatorship whose gerrymandering results in most electoral districts being one-party fiefdoms. The two Parties block the freedom of third parties and independent candidates to have equal access to the ballots and to the debates. Another barrier to competitive democratic elections is big money, largely commercial in source, which marinates most politicians in cowardliness and sinecurism.

Our legislative and executive branches, at the federal and state levels, can fairly be called corporate regimes. This is corporatism where government is controlled by private economic power. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt called this grip "fascism" in a formal message to Congress in 1938.

Corporatism shuts out the people and opens governmental largesse paid for by taxpayers to insatiable corporations.

Notice how each decade the bailouts, subsidies, hand-outs, giveaways, and tax escapes for big business grow larger. The word "trillions" is increasingly used, as in the magnitude of the rescue by Washington of the Wall Street crooks and speculators who looted the peoples' pensions and savings.

It is not as if these giant companies demonstrate any gratitude to the people who save them again and again. Instead, U.S. companies are fast quitting the country in which they were chartered and prospered. These corporations, which were built on the backs of American workers, are shipping millions of jobs and whole industries to repressive foreign regimes abroad, such as China.

Over 70 percent of Americans in a September 2000 Business Week poll said corporations had "too much control over their lives." It's gotten worse with the last decade's corporate corruption and crime wave.

Wal-Mart imports over $20 billion a year in products from sweatshops in China. About a million Wal-Mart workers make under $10.50 per hour before deductions--many in the $8 an hour range. While Wal-Mart's CEO makes about $11,000 a hour plus benefits and perks.

This scenario has metastasized through the economy. One in three workers in the U.S. makes Wal-Mart level wages. Fifty million people have no health insurance and every year about 45,000 die because they cannot afford diagnosis or treatment. Child poverty is climbing as household income falls. Unemployment and underemployment are near 20% levels. The federal minimum wage, adjusted for inflation since 1968, would be $10.00 per hour now. Instead, it is $7.25.

Yet one percent of the richest Americans have financial wealth equivalent to the bottom ninety-five percent of the people. Corporate profits and compensation of corporate bosses are at record levels. While companies, excluding financial firms, are sitting on two trillion dollars in cash.
 

Buddybrown

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Dude, it's the 21st century. Time to catch up, not revert to the past. What happens with the public sector unions will soon follow in the private ones. The governor in WI has been purchased by private industry and his allegiance is clear. Corporations like those owned by the Kochs are ultimately after private unions. They see public unions as the easiest place to start. If they get everything they want you will work until you die and kiss your pension bye-bye.
Totally impressed with your ability to shout in caps, dude! You are so misinformed by the worthless liberal websites you dig up it's truly pathetic! SO YOU CAN RELATE I'LL TYPE IN CAPS FOR YA. PUBLIC UNIONS ARE HISTORY JUST LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTY YOU ASCRIBE TO! CHEERS!
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
Totally impressed with your ability to shout in caps, dude! You are so misinformed by the worthless liberal websites you dig up it's truly pathetic! SO YOU CAN RELATE I'LL TYPE IN CAPS FOR YA. PUBLIC UNIONS ARE HISTORY JUST LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTY YOU ASCRIBE TO! CHEERS!

Amazing how far to the right your party has moved. Now being for unions means you are worthless or a socialist. Eisenhower would be drummed out of today's repub party by the emTea party nuts. Good luck with trying to win a majority in 2012 with only 30% support!
 

hubrat

Squeaky Wheel
Totally impressed with your ability to shout in caps, dude! You are so misinformed by the worthless liberal websites you dig up it's truly pathetic! SO YOU CAN RELATE I'LL TYPE IN CAPS FOR YA. PUBLIC UNIONS ARE HISTORY JUST LIKE THE SOCIALIST PARTY YOU ASCRIBE TO! CHEERS!

:grill:

Dude! Don't forget ur blood pressure.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Fox News - Shepard Smith and Juan Williams

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Buddybrown

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Amazing how far to the right your party has moved. Now being for unions means you are worthless or a socialist. Eisenhower would be drummed out of today's repub party by the emTea party nuts. Good luck with trying to win a majority in 2012 with only 30% support!
I've not claimed a party, I've claimed common sense! States cannot afford to continue down the same path of fiscal irresponsibility, time for some real change that actually make cents!
 
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