Is anyone following Wisconsin?

[brett636]

You learned well young grasshopper, attack the source and not the content. I see obiwankanobe has taught you the ways of the force, the force being only the right wing has all the answers you seek.

Brett, how about you point to ONE section of the fact check analysis that is incorrect?

Peace.

Well, the conclusions regarding the fair tax came about at our nations highest rated universities by some of the best minds they have, and your telling me one left leaning website has rebuked millions of dollars of research that has gone into the fair tax? Give me a break.

 

[bbsam]

Talk of "book learnin" vs common sense always makes me think of this essay. A little long but worth the read imho.

​

Yeah. To be elite used to be a good thing.

 

[1timepu]

Gee wally, a right wing christian site "rewriting" history.

Go figure.

Peace.

yeah ok quotes rewritten, i guess your a left wing nut

 

[1timepu]

Yeah! Harvard?! The smart people are the dumbest people in the world! Probably want us to use a fuel developed by MIT someday! Idiots!

You said they where smart not me, they cant be smart if they are teaching them socialist policy's, like banning the Army from campus .........nice

 

[over9five]

You can't compare managing a single household budget and the federal budget.

So you're saying that spending more is the way to cut the Federal budget???

 

[1timepu]

Try to be smarter. Please.

why cant take defeat

 

[The Other Side]

why cant take defeat

1timepu,

Here is a part of a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to his nephew which contains a partial quote that Glenn Beck uses out of context over and over and over on his tv comedy show.

Beck screams into the camera and asks his viewers to "QUESTION WITH BOLDNESS" and attributes this to Jefferson, however, what is Jefferson talking about in this sentence? Beck does not tell you, Jefferson was instructing his nephew to question whether or not there is a GOD. Beck takes this out of context and makes a new application for its use.



The letter in its entirety can be viewed online, and I will only post the parts that apply.

Read Thomas Jeffersons own words, see how he guided his nephew to view religion.

Dear Peter,
I have received your two letters of December 30 and April 18, and am very happy to find by them, as well as by letters from Mr. Wythe, that you have been so fortunate as to attract his notice & good will; I am sure you will find this to have been one of the most fortunate events of your life, as I have ever been sensible it was of mine. I enclose you a sketch of the sciences to which I would wish you to apply, in such order as Mr. Wythe shall advise; I mention, also, the books in them worth your reading, which submit to his correction. Many of these are among your father’s books, which you should have brought to you. As I do not recollect those of them not in his library, you must write to me for them, making out a catalogue of such as you think you shall have occasion for, in 18 months from the date of your letter, & consulting Mr. Wythe on the subject. To this sketch, I will add a few particular observations.

.....edit
4. Religion. Your reason is now mature enough to examine this object. In the first place, divest yourself of all bias in favor of novelty & singularity of opinion. Indulge them in any other subject rather than that of religion. It is too important, and the consequences of error may be too serious. On the other hand, shake off all the fears & servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine first, the religion of your own country. Read the Bible, then as you would read Livy or Tacitus. The facts which are within the ordinary course of nature, you will believe on the authority of the writer, as you do those of the same kind in Livy & Tacitus. The testimony of the writer weighs in their favor, in one scale, and their not being against the laws of nature, does not weigh against them. But those facts in the Bible which contradict the laws of nature, must be examined with more care, and under a variety of faces. Here you must recur to the pretensions of the writer to inspiration from God. Examine upon what evidence his pretensions are founded, and whether that evidence is so strong, as that its falsehood would be more improbable than a change in the laws of nature, in the case he relates. For example, in the book of Joshua, we are told, the sun stood still several hours. Were we to read that fact in Livy or Tacitus, we should class it with their showers of blood, speaking of statues, beasts, &c. But it is said, that the writer of that book was inspired. Examine, therefore, candidly, what evidence there is of his having been inspired. The pretension is entitled to your inquiry, because millions believe it. On the other hand, you are astronomer enough to know how contrary it is to the law of nature that a body revolving on its axis, as the earth does, should have stopped, should not, by that sudden stoppage, have prostrated animals, trees, buildings, and should after a certain time gave resumed its revolution, & that without a second general prostration. Is this arrest of the earth’s motion, or the evidence which affirms it, most within the law of probabilities? You will next read the New Testament. It is the history of a personage called Jesus. Keep in your eye the opposite pretensions: 1, of those who say he was begotten by God, born of a virgin, suspended & reversed the laws of nature at will, & ascended bodily into heaven; and 2, of those who say he was a man of illegitimate birth, of a benevolent heart, enthusiastic mind, who set out without pretensions to divinity, ended in believing them, and was punished capitally for sedition, by being gibbeted, according to the Roman law, which punished the first commission of that offence by whipping, & the second by exile, or death in fureâ. See this law in the Digest Lib. 48. tit. 19. §. 28. 3. & Lipsius Lib 2. de cruce. cap. 2. These questions are examined in the books I have mentioned under the head of religion, & several others. They will assist you in your inquiries, but keep your reason firmly on the watch in reading them all.
Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, & that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a God, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat, you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject anything, because any other persons, or description of persons, have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision. I forgot to observe, when speaking of the New Testament, that you should read all the histories of Christ, as well of those whom a council of ecclesiastics have decided for us, to be Pseudo-evangelists, as those they named Evangelists. Because these Pseudo-evangelists pretended to inspiration, as much as the others, and you are to judge their pretensions by your own reason, and not by the reason of those ecclesiastics. Most of these are lost. There are some, however, still extant, collected by Fabricius, which I will endeavor to get & send you.

 

[1timepu]

https://web.archive.org/web/2013112...tions-2008/gop_candidates_debate_round_2.html

ah Global warming Fact Check agreeing with IPCC nice IPCC the ones who manipulated data to prove their point blaaahhh ah ah lmao

 

[1timepu]

why cant take defeat

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It depends on what you mean by founding the country on Christianity. Most of the founders were Christians. Some of them were Deists but it was a particular form of deism that was heavily influenced by Christianity and involved a deep reverence for the Bible as a source of divinely inspired guidance on moral matters. The founders thought men should be free and have a free government because their reading of the Bible told them that was right. They believed that God guided the destinies of men and nations and that men should seek that guidance from Him, including men in public office making official decisions. They believed that in order for a free society to remain free its people must be virtuous in their private and public lives and that Christianity and the Bible taught how to be virtuous. Thus they founded the country on Christian principles. That said, they did not believe that any specific church ought to be able to give orders to the federal government or that the federal government ought to force people to belong to or support a specific church. Several of the states though did have established churches and everyone thought that was just fine, anybody who didn't like that church didn't have to live in that state. So the country was not founded on any idea of rule by the church. Michael Montagne
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"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Treaty of Tripoli
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God wasn't on our currency until 1864(Well after the founding of the country)
The word God does not appear a single time in the U.S Constitution.
God was not added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, it was originally written in 1892.
There is no mention of the proper noun "God" in the Declaration of Independence, only the proper noun "Nature's God". This was written by Thomas Jefferson who did not practice Christianity, he rather believed Jesus wasn't divine, but a good ethics teacher to base your life on.
Morality is not based in Christianity as implied above, morality existed well before the bible.
Democracy's namesake was atheist.



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[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

1time, did you consider using a link rather than posting all of that information?

 

[bbsam]

You said they where smart not me, they cant be smart if they are teaching them socialist policy's, like banning the Army from campus .........nice

Banning the army from campus? You don't really know what that case is about, do you?

 

[island1fox]

bbsam,
As most people are aware many of the enlightened Universities and Colleges claimed the Military discriminated against gays because of Clinton's Don't ask Don't tell.
Lets see what the next excuse --I meant reason will be .

 

[1timepu]

1timepu,

Here is a part of a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to his nephew which contains a partial quote that Glenn Beck uses out of context over and over and over on his tv comedy show.

Beck screams into the camera and asks his viewers to "QUESTION WITH BOLDNESS" and attributes this to Jefferson, however, what is Jefferson talking about in this sentence? Beck does not tell you, Jefferson was instructing his nephew to question whether or not there is a GOD. Beck takes this out of context and makes a new application for its use.



The letter in its entirety can be viewed online, and I will only post the parts that apply.

Read Thomas Jeffersons own words, see how he guided his nephew to view religion.

Dear Peter,
I have received your two letters of December 30 and April 18, and am very happy to find by them, as well as by letters from Mr. Wythe, that you have been so fortunate as to attract his notice & good will; I am sure you will find this to have been one of the most fortunate events of your life, as I have ever been sensible it was of mine. I enclose you a sketch of the sciences to which I would wish you to apply, in such order as Mr. Wythe shall advise; I mention, also, the books in them worth your reading, which submit to his correction. Many of these are among your father’s books, which you should have brought to you. As I do not recollect those of them not in his library, you must write to me for them, making out a catalogue of such as you think you shall have occasion for, in 18 months from the date of your letter, & consulting Mr. Wythe on the subject. To this sketch, I will add a few particular observations.

.....edit
4. Religion. Your reason is now mature enough to examine this object. In the first place, divest yourself of all bias in favor of novelty & singularity of opinion. Indulge them in any other subject rather than that of religion. It is too important, and the consequences of error may be too serious. On the other hand, shake off all the fears & servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine first, the religion of your own country. Read the Bible, then as you would read Livy or Tacitus. The facts which are within the ordinary course of nature, you will believe on the authority of the writer, as you do those of the same kind in Livy & Tacitus. The testimony of the writer weighs in their favor, in one scale, and their not being against the laws of nature, does not weigh against them. But those facts in the Bible which contradict the laws of nature, must be examined with more care, and under a variety of faces. Here you must recur to the pretensions of the writer to inspiration from God. Examine upon what evidence his pretensions are founded, and whether that evidence is so strong, as that its falsehood would be more improbable than a change in the laws of nature, in the case he relates. For example, in the book of Joshua, we are told, the sun stood still several hours. Were we to read that fact in Livy or Tacitus, we should class it with their showers of blood, speaking of statues, beasts, &c. But it is said, that the writer of that book was inspired. Examine, therefore, candidly, what evidence there is of his having been inspired. The pretension is entitled to your inquiry, because millions believe it. On the other hand, you are astronomer enough to know how contrary it is to the law of nature that a body revolving on its axis, as the earth does, should have stopped, should not, by that sudden stoppage, have prostrated animals, trees, buildings, and should after a certain time gave resumed its revolution, & that without a second general prostration. Is this arrest of the earth’s motion, or the evidence which affirms it, most within the law of probabilities? You will next read the New Testament. It is the history of a personage called Jesus. Keep in your eye the opposite pretensions: 1, of those who say he was begotten by God, born of a virgin, suspended & reversed the laws of nature at will, & ascended bodily into heaven; and 2, of those who say he was a man of illegitimate birth, of a benevolent heart, enthusiastic mind, who set out without pretensions to divinity, ended in believing them, and was punished capitally for sedition, by being gibbeted, according to the Roman law, which punished the first commission of that offence by whipping, & the second by exile, or death in fureâ. See this law in the Digest Lib. 48. tit. 19. §. 28. 3. & Lipsius Lib 2. de cruce. cap. 2. These questions are examined in the books I have mentioned under the head of religion, & several others. They will assist you in your inquiries, but keep your reason firmly on the watch in reading them all.
Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, & that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a God, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat, you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject anything, because any other persons, or description of persons, have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision. I forgot to observe, when speaking of the New Testament, that you should read all the histories of Christ, as well of those whom a council of ecclesiastics have decided for us, to be Pseudo-evangelists, as those they named Evangelists. Because these Pseudo-evangelists pretended to inspiration, as much as the others, and you are to judge their pretensions by your own reason, and not by the reason of those ecclesiastics. Most of these are lost. There are some, however, still extant, collected by Fabricius, which I will endeavor to get & send you.

 

[1timepu]

Banning the army from campus? You don't really know what that case is about, do you?

Could it be "Dont ask Dont Tell"? Liberals HATE the Military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[1timepu]

1time, did you consider using a link rather than posting all of that information?

Sorry was in a rush. Promise I wont do it again

 

[washington57]

bbsam,
As most people are aware many of the enlightened Universities and Colleges claimed the Military discriminated against gays because of Clinton's Don't ask Don't tell.
Lets see what the next excuse --I meant reason will be .

They do discriminate against gays. One would think it very obvious- they kick you out if you tell anyone in the Army you are gay.

 

[washington57]

Could it be "Dont ask Dont Tell"? Liberals HATE the Military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How would you know how all liberals feel about the military?

Republicans HATE the poor!!!

c'mon

 

[island1fox]

They do discriminate against gays. One would think it very obvious- they kick you out if you tell anyone in the Army you are gay.

Hey Washington,
Maybe the news has not hit the left coast yet --rather than work on job creation --the Dems worked diligently to get this law repealed.
You can be gay and be in the military --HELLO !!!

 

[washington57]

Hey Washington,
Maybe the news has not hit the left coast yet --rather than work on job creation --the Dems worked diligently to get this law repealed.
You can be gay and be in the military --HELLO !!!

Hasn't been put into effect yet.

 

[island1fox]

How would you know how all liberals feel about the military?

Republicans HATE the poor!!!

c'mon

Washington,
Republican's hate the poor as you state. That is why they formed Fannie mae and Freddie mac, the Community Reinvestment Act and deregulated the banks with the repeal of Glass/Steagel. They threatened banks with acorn,lawsuits and the race card for not having enough Minority loans. The Repuplican's forced the banks to make risky loans backed up the the full faith and credit of the U.S. with the great Republican MR. raines taking Millions from Fannie mae. The Great Republican's Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, Barnie Frank, Maxime Waters telling us that everything in the housing market was fine --if you spoke out of the "ballon" the race card was played.
Opps that was the DEMOCRATS.

Back to this thread--Now that the Republican Governors are stopping the corrupt system of buying the politician you can negotiate with and preventing the Working middle class from geeting hosed on property taxes--they are the evil people.
Even President Obama and the Great Jimmy Carter do not allow the federal workers to have extensive collective bargaining . Opps they are really Democrats !!
Confusing ???