July 10th contract teleforum call

[Tony Q]

"Coincide"....really???

That is more of a reason to release the new Master language before the supplements are settled, than to withhold it.

Look, it's not like we will be reading this thing from cover to cover, for the first time looking for changes.
The way it has always been disseminated is in a synopsis, listed changed article by changed article, with any new language below the old struck out language.

Actually, if you think about it "rationally" (as @Tony Q likes to say ad nauseum), in the terms that you are suggesting, shouldn't we have a tentative agreement on the Master before supplements even start negotiations or the proposal process???
Wouldn't that allow our supplemental committees to better negotiate language that "can coincide with the Master"???

Face it, it's all about the hard sell, misdirection, and controlled confusion through a well timed information overload.
That way, the sheep will be dependent on the shepherd and easily corralled.

There is no good reason that we weren't told why a strike authorization was called for, and there is no good reason why the details of this "handshake agreement" are being withheld.

I'll tell you why we called for a strike authorization if you want. Just ask me. I might have missed you asking why. Let me know if you want to know.

 

[Tony Q]

So did the upstateny scab.
How long did Hoffa work for ups or for any Teamster bargaining unit company?

I don't know what happened to you, but you have totally went from cool to unreasonable and sort of a bully mentality. If this works for you, then so be it, but I felt that I was always very respectful to you.

 

[Tony Q]

Provide us the Master to read, otherwise we have to guess what it consists of....

I think that is only fair. Guess away.

 

[Tony Q]

I wasn’t yelling at you directly. I’m sorry if I startled you. There is a clean slate (excuse the pub) for people to posture. I know Hoffa has some dirt up his sleeve before he goes. Unfortunately for him and him group of acolytes, it ain’t gonna work. His chance has sailed. I have more dirt on Hoffa than Hoffa could ever have on Sean. He will be your boss in 2.5 years Tony. You’ll think he’s the greatest thing. I understand how the Teamsters works. I know you can’t say your true feelings because you’ve already told a bunch of your peers who you are on here. I’ll wait it out.

Actually, I think you are right about some of what you said in the above post. Sean has dirt on Jim and vise versa. Its bad stuff on both sides, but one is a old man who is done and the other a very young man who has much to lose. These next three years will be like a decade and I wouldn't be surprised if we see something that we haven't seen yet on Jim's way out. You can say what you want about Hogfa,but he wields a big stick. Whatever Sean has done wrong it is documented and waiting in that old mans vault. He is a very unforgiving man and he gets even. He is the son of a labor GOD. May the best man win, and I'm not talking about an election.

 

[Bubblehead]

I'll tell you why we called for a strike authorization if you want. Just ask me. I might have missed you asking why. Let me know if you want to know.

Who is we....and who are you for that matter???

With all due respect, and I sincerely hope you don't deem me be a dick as well, but I'm not looking for my explanations from an anonymous internet blogger, who may or may not be "in the know".

I'm looking for a "reasonable" amount of transparency from the IBT as a whole, and sorry Tony Q, they have fallen woefully short....again.

 

[Tony Q]

Who is we....and who are you for that matter???

With all due respect, and I sincerely hope you don't deem me be a dick as well, but I'm not looking for my explanations from an anonymous internet blogger, who may or may not be "in the know".

I'm looking for a "reasonable" amount of transparency from the IBT as a whole, and sorry Tony Q, they have fallen woefully short....again.

Okay, I understand. I thought I would offer a reason for calling for a strike authorization vote. As to the we, well I can't offer you this information and I don't think you are being a dick at all.

 

[wide load]

Actually, I think you are right about some of what you said in the above post. Sean has dirt on Jim and vise versa. Its bad stuff on both sides, but one is a old man who is done and the other a very young man who has much to lose. These next three years will be like a decade and I wouldn't be surprised if we see something that we haven't seen yet on Jim's way out. You can say what you want about Hogfa,but he wields a big stick. Whatever Sean has done wrong it is documented and waiting in that old mans vault. He is a very unforgiving man and he gets even. He is the son of a labor GOD. May the best man win, and I'm not talking about an election.

All these transgressions under Hoffa’s watch? Do you know why Sean and Zuckerman came out as early as they did? I’ll give you a hint. Article 19 of the constitution

 

[Tony Q]

All these transgressions under Hoffa’s watch? Do you know why Sean and Zuckerman came out as early as they did?

Are they together? If they are I am happy for them. We haven't had such a diverse candidate like this since Tom L. Good for them, and they did come out during pride month.

 

[Bubblehead]

Are they together? If they are I am happy for them. We haven't had such a diverse candidate like this since Tom L. Good for them, and they did come out during pride month.

What are you inferring?️‍

 

[Tony Q]

What are you inferring?️‍

I might have misunderstood his post I fear. I thought it was some sort of announcement.

 

[wide load]

Are they together? If they are I am happy for them. We haven't had such a diverse candidate like this since Tom L. Good for them, and they did come out during pride month.

I’m more curious to see the loyalty at the delegates convention. It’s easy to show loyalty behind a bunch of screen names but at some point people will need to nut up and say “I’m with him.”

 

[Tony Q]

I’m more curious to see the loyalty at the delegates convention. It’s easy to show loyalty behind a bunch of screen names but at some point people will need to nut up and say “I’m with him.”

I doubt anyone in any kind of paid position says he's with him until the last possibly second. There is only one thing you don't want to get between, a teamster and food, and its his or her money. Follow the money.

 

[Bubblehead]

I might have misunderstood his post I fear. I thought it was some sort of announcement.

I thought you might be angling for a spot on the ticket???

 

[Tony Q]

I thought you might be angling for a spot on the ticket???

I'll be retired before then. I have to many years in this organization and not enough years left on this earth.

 

[wide load]

I doubt anyone in any kind of paid position says he's with him until the last possibly second. There is only one thing you don't want to get between, a teamster and food, and its his or her money. Follow the money.

Are you saying loyalty gets you elected? Loyalty gets you money?
You said you’ll be retired? You sure push a contract like you need a job.

 

[Bubblehead]

I'll be retired before then. I have too many years in this organization and not enough years left on this earth.

....but your homosexual inferences aren't a deterrent???

That's very "PC" of you, "in the end".

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Are they together? If they are I am happy for them. We haven't had such a diverse candidate like this since Tom L. Good for them, and they did come out during pride month.

I might have misunderstood his post I fear. I thought it was some sort of announcement.

You can't be taken seriously.
You ask me what's happened to me and you post that garbage?

I am reasonable. That's why you don't like me now?

You said Sean hasn't worked for ups but denis has.

I said USNY scab worked for ups so does going to McDonalds make you a hamburger too?

In finale, where did Hoffa work that gave him trade clout?

Those are my questions as I asked and presented before.

Too bad you can't just answer the question without getting personal.
Credibility is a great thing if you retain it.
You think about that.

 

[Bubblehead]

I'm hearing that the "tentative agreement" will be released on the UPS Rising App....

....you guessed it, next Tuesday, July 10th.

The very same day of this threads title "July 10th Contract Teleforum Call"???

Are they finally hearing us, or feeling the heat....or both???

 

[Bubblehead]

@Tony Q ????

You got quiet all of a sudden, is the "bat-phone" ringing?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

@Tony Q ????

You got quiet all of a sudden, is the "bat-phone" ringing?