Layoffs in I.S.

[ImpactedTSG]

SLACKER how can you say that anyone in the bottom 10% is a slacker? How did we go from package car being a 7 year wait in 98(chicago area) to promoting ptimers with 6months? The number games that are being played these kids come in here and say you want 180 stops delivered and 30 pick ups done by 530 pm. TODAY. I quit. Remember you cant do our jobs thats why your behind your desk with your litlle lap top and your latte cashing a check you probably havent earned. You should attempt to go package car before you judge anyone performing that work.

ROFL, and you probably can't even turn on a "litlle" laptop. If you have half a brain in your head, why would you want to do what you guys do? Drive, carry package, deliver package, drive, repeat roughly a hundred times a day, go home. I'm not sure about SLACKER, but I have greater aspirations with my career than that. Not to be critical.

 

[Griff]

ROFL, and you probably can't even turn on a "litlle" laptop. If you have half a brain in your head, why would you want to do what you guys do? Drive, carry package, deliver package, drive, repeat roughly a hundred times a day, go home. I'm not sure about SLACKER, but I have greater aspirations with my career than that. Not to be critical.

Was your pinky up while you typed this? Some of us actually enjoy being outdoors and being physically active while making a living. I personally don't have esteem issues to the point of where I need my heart to flutter when I hear myself telling someone my job title. You apparently get satisfaction out of having 3 pagers on your belt and replacing keyboards. Good for you, no reason to be a pompous maroon about it.

P.S. -- I'm sure you aren't this loose lipped in person. You should watch your mouth when talking about "brainless" blue collar jobs, without these people you wouldn't have a house or roads to drive your pink bmw Z3 on.

 

[ImpactedTSG]

Was your pinky up while you typed this? Some of us actually enjoy being outdoors and being physically active while making a living. I personally don't have esteem issues to the point of where I need my heart to flutter when I hear myself telling someone my job title. You apparently get satisfaction out of having 3 pagers on your belt and replacing keyboards. Good for you, no reason to be a pompous maroon about it.

P.S. -- I'm sure you aren't this loose lipped in person. You should watch your mouth when talking about "brainless" blue collar jobs, without these people you wouldn't have a house or roads to drive your pink bmw Z3 on.

Hey, I'm not the one that jumped on the IT profession with the laptop and latte comment. If you like your job, that's cool. I've been on road as a helper and I wouldn't want to do it. I'd rather rebuild a server after a crash or create group policies that lock down workstations so users can't screw them up. But that is just my preference. As for the pink BMW, you couldn't be farther from the truth. I actually own a modern muscle car with over 400 RWHP that I drag race regularly. I do most of the engine work on it so I know a little about being blue collar, and have nothing against it. I just took exception to the latte comment implying that everyone in technology was a candy-ass.

 

[705red]

Hey, I'm not the one that jumped on the IT profession with the laptop and latte comment. If you like your job, that's cool. I've been on road as a helper and I wouldn't want to do it. I'd rather rebuild a server after a crash or create group policies that lock down workstations so users can't screw them up. But that is just my preference. As for the pink BMW, you couldn't be farther from the truth. I actually own a modern muscle car with over 400 RWHP that I drag race regularly. I do most of the engine work on it so I know a little about being blue collar, and have nothing against it. I just took exception to the latte comment implying that everyone in technology was a candy-ass.

Your the one that said the preloaders could load more packages, that the drivers could pick up and deliver more packages and we wouldnt miss a beat. We are losing customers by the boat load right now because of pencil neck computer geeks like yourself. Remember we can do your job (and do it right) you cant do our jobs. So keep walking around the buiding like your god because you can fix a computer, but understand we do laugh at you when you strut past us like your the sh#t.

Hows that latte?

 

[ImpactedTSG]

Your the one that said the preloaders could load more packages, that the drivers could pick up and deliver more packages and we wouldnt miss a beat. We are losing customers by the boat load right now because of pencil neck computer geeks like yourself. Remember we can do your job (and do it right) you cant do our jobs. So keep walking around the buiding like your god because you can fix a computer, but understand we do laugh at you when you strut past us like your the sh#t.

Hows that latte?

First off, that was not me that said that about missing a beat. Why don't you read back through and you would see that MIPMASTER said that?

Second, I've been out of UPS for over a year, so it's not me that is causing customers to be lost. I am working as a network engineer in a totally differerent industry than the shipping industry. I do know my stuff. Believe me, I can drive a truck and walk a box up to a door. Can you tell me what this means?

interface Ethernet0/0
ip address 69.69.69.69 255.255.255.0
full-duplex
!
interface Serial0/0
ip address 69.69.69.68 255.255.255.0
no ip unreachables
no ip proxy-arp
no fair-queue
no cdp enable
!
interface Serial0/1
no ip address
ip nat inside
shutdown

*those are fake IPs so don't try to hack them

 

[705red]

First off, that was not me that said that about missing a beat. Why don't you read back through and you would see that MIPMASTER said that?

Second, I've been out of UPS for over a year, so it's not me that is causing customers to be lost. I am working as a network engineer in a totally differerent industry than the shipping industry. I do know my stuff. Believe me, I can drive a truck and walk a box up to a door. Can you tell me what this means?

interface Ethernet0/0
ip address 69.69.69.69 255.255.255.0
full-duplex
!
interface Serial0/0
ip address 69.69.69.68 255.255.255.0
no ip unreachables
no ip proxy-arp
no fair-queue
no cdp enable
!
interface Serial0/1
no ip address
ip nat inside
shutdown

*those are fake IPs so don't try to hack them

There you go again latte boy, you think its about driving a truck and walking a box to the house, beleive me its alot more than that. Are you allowed to wear pants to work or are skirts mandatory?

To answer your question thats a website www.computerguysgonewild.com

 

[Deeohem]

Random thoughts....

I can see both ways with the quality of what we see coming out of IS on one side, we have the team that produced WorldShip 8. On the other side, we have the team that rolled out WorldShip 9. On one side we have the team that keeps the payroll systems going on the other we have the team responsible for PMT2 and the cluster that was the HDFS8 rollout.

Disagree with who the most hated person in UPS is. My personal take would be my corporate manager, but he may only be the most hated man in TSG

It'll be a shame to see the IS people go because that is NOT an easy job, especially not in a company as regulated as UPS. Kinda funny that they're going after Louisville. Didn't they hire new specialists from the IS Boot Camp last year?

Was that a Cisco router? the terminology looks familiar...

and since there seems to be an undercurrent about quality... how did Field Certification miss the fact that DSXP broke the HIP ActiveX? and why was HIP so vulnerable? iShip wasn't affected, neither was Campusship/SOCS

 

[ImpactedTSG]

Was that a Cisco router? the terminology looks familiar...

Yes, two serial and two ethernet interfaces. One of the serial interfaces is down. I just copied part of the config so you cant see E0/1..

 

[air1]

Hope Mitch starts at the top - the reason Louisville IT is going down hill is too much management - not enough leadership - there is a difference. We don't have it anymore. We know produce paper - not good responsbile business solutions.

 

[Dfigtree]

So, was anyone laid off?

 

[alwaysaware]

Been quite a while since I've been on, but I have been following 'threads' and all I can say is 'Yikes'. Lots of rumors, lots of facts, lots of information and lots of misinformation. Seeing the names of some people in IS within posts may not be the right thing to do, but I do laugh at some knowing who they are.

Regarding layoffs in IS - What you might be talking about are particualr jobs and or projects where the number of support staff (programmers up to PM's) needed is much less than the staff in place. Some people have been redeployed and yes, some were given a month to find a job - but I was told that that was HR reps in NJ. Not application support. Some two-units were downgraded to one-unit and some managers with no staff for years were also downgraded.

Just the facts mam', Just the facts!!!

Something else that I find interesting is going on:
IS people are leaving UPS for other companies. The phrase 'better opportunity' seems to come out a lot, or more money. One option level manager left to go work for a smaller company. And, the number of people leaving is not a few, they are many. Yet, we still are hiring in IS. Lots of retirement parties to go to lately too.

The hammer is also coming down too on some. People who got by by never getting written up or were never put on a PIP. Well, those days are over. HR has given 'coaching lessons' on how to write a person up and how to tell someone they are not cutting it. People are being watched when the come in, leave for lunch, how long they take, what time they leave and why were they on the Internet. There are legimate reasons for usining the Internet, but one idiot was downloading songs and day trading. That's dumb and that person is gone. What some forget is that many of these folks work 24X7, get calls in the wee hours of the night, weekends and holidays.

UPS is stuck in the mud and everyone has a reason. Some are valid and some are not (my observation and opinion). I feel that I am paid well for what I do, but a lot of what I was told when I was hired no longer applies (that's the price for going public I guess). We are a different company and who knows what the next 5-10 years hold for us UPS Partners.

What's next ??

 

[air_upser]

Good post. IMHO NJ is suffering from going public and the money thrown at people in the early 90's to keep them around. I know many folks that were made 2 unit "individual contributors" simply to make up the pay difference between UPS and the internet startups. Times have since changed and things are being done to reduce the number of those folks.

Everyone says it here. .. Going public has changed the way UPS does business. I don't consider upper management partners anymore, and I'm pretty sure they don't consider us partners anymore. Before, it was all about the long term. Now, it's about the quarter.

Before, local management had responsibility and decision-making ability. Now, we are simply pawns. As a manager, partner and shareholder in this company it takes me 3 hours of paperwork and phone calls to make a 5 minute visual inspection on a piece of equipment that I designed, installed, and support. I have so many emails, reports, and phone calls to make when something breaks I literally don't have time to fix the problem. It's incredibly frustrating for most people in IS. We have too many generals that need to justify their position while we do everything we can to make sure UPS runs smoothly.

 

[Fredless]

Wow, the more I read this board - see the attitudes in my building - theres no good job in this company. I only have 3 years in, and the old timers bitch how bad it is now and they only have a few years left..how will it be in 27 years when I'm due to retire? I knew I was in college for a reason.

Its finding the job that sucks the least.

Shame to hear you guys are losing out on your jobs.

Off topic -Threads like this should be stickied for all of the college kids that started at brown when we were in high school or right ouf of it to just say no to package car driving, and management, and specialist jobs.

 

[brownISer]

always aware--- do I know u ?? sounds like you work in my bldg !

 

[upscorpis]

Alwaysaware - the conditions you speak of are local to your Portfolio Manager. He's on a rampage lately.

I also know those names mentioned and got quite a chuckle from those depictions.

We've been losing good people as well. The company is no longer giving out titles to folks to make up salary differences so the good ones walk when they hit the boundary to the next unit level. I've been telling those above me for some time that we need to change the compensation system in IT to better compete with the rest of the industry. I mentioned making the entire MIP amount optional cash/stock, 1/4 units or 1/2 units, anything to change the current system to be more competitive. The result of this total rewards thing may do just that.

Layoffs are not an issue where I am. I've not heard about layoffs until reading this thread. We generally have more work than we can get done. For some time, there has been a lot of pressure from the top level to do more with the same headcount. That is beginning to make our architectures too tactical, which shows up later as more cost, lower quality, and slower time to market. The result is evident with recent software releases referred to in an earlier post. I only hope that those who are pressing the gas pedal see that and react accordingly. I've begun to see signs of that occurring.

I'm not entirely enthralled with the way things have gone lately but I can't say I'm all in the dumps either. Business is business and the company has to change with the times. Change is always met with resistance so it is no surprise there so much uproar. I still think the glass is half full but I do admit I'm watching that glass more closely than in the past.

 

[alwaysaware]

always aware--- do I know u ?? sounds like you work in my bldg !

BrownIser - We may be nothing more than two UPS'rs that pass each other in the hall..

But, I like and appreciate anonimity (sp??)...

 

[alwaysaware]

Alwaysaware - the conditions you speak of are local to your Portfolio Manager. He's on a rampage lately.

I also know those names mentioned and got quite a chuckle from those depictions.

We've been losing good people as well. The company is no longer giving out titles to folks to make up salary differences so the good ones walk when they hit the boundary to the next unit level. I've been telling those above me for some time that we need to change the compensation system in IT to better compete with the rest of the industry. I mentioned making the entire MIP amount optional cash/stock, 1/4 units or 1/2 units, anything to change the current system to be more competitive. The result of this total rewards thing may do just that.

Layoffs are not an issue where I am. I've not heard about layoffs until reading this thread. We generally have more work than we can get done. For some time, there has been a lot of pressure from the top level to do more with the same headcount. That is beginning to make our architectures too tactical, which shows up later as more cost, lower quality, and slower time to market. The result is evident with recent software releases referred to in an earlier post. I only hope that those who are pressing the gas pedal see that and react accordingly. I've begun to see signs of that occurring.

I'm not entirely enthralled with the way things have gone lately but I can't say I'm all in the dumps either. Business is business and the company has to change with the times. Change is always met with resistance so it is no surprise there so much uproar. I still think the glass is half full but I do admit I'm watching that glass more closely than in the past.

upscorpis - I mentioned many things that are happening in not just one portfolio. I too do not see layoffs happening.

I am very busy and I do enjoy what I do, but just like you I am not enthralled either with where we are going, how we are doing things and what's important.

The marines have a term 'know your point'. We lost ours.

Yes - the conditions I spoke of are only happening in one area and it's a real shame. Welcome to Rampages and Tirades....

When I see some of the names of people I laugh, but then I feel bad. Bad that it's so noticeable and very bad that it's been going on for way too long.

 

[brownISer]

would the person on a rampage happen to be DJS?

 

[upscorpis]

<German accent> I know nothing - nothing! </German accent>

 

[brownISer]

yes --- that's what I thought !!