Hmmm...in 18 years each local union has had 6 election cycles. Being close to 400 Teamster locals, that's 2400 elections. You've alleged wrongdoing in 2 and call that prevalent?
Local 243
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NORCAL doesn't work under the CRT Supplement. L243 does. Have you ever read the CRT Supplement?
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Yes I have read the CRT. I was a steward and alternate steward so it is required that one be well versed in all 3 areas of our CBA in 243 including the rules and regulations. The power comes from the back of the book in most supplements. That is where 243 continues to fail. I am aware that different supplements have their pluses and minuses; that some supplements allow more paid days off, the requirement of an arbitrator, different disciplinary terms, etc. The Central is the worst already with their "cardinal offense" violations. 243's rider allows the company and union to target drivers.
Somehow the competent EB in NorCal put in concrete language that is not open to interpretation. NORCAL fulfilled their duty of fair representation during contract negotiations. They put forth language that is best for their entire membership. Obvious language that should be included in the National, Regionals; and every Rider or Local Supplement.
The intent of creating a 22.4 position was to relieve excessive OT. Not to make it possible for UPS to work RPCDs 24 hours per week while 22.4s are guaranteed 40.
What the incompetent; at best; colluding at worst; 243 officials had put forward was and is a disgrace.
The NLRB will, beyond a shadow of a doubt; recognize the gross negligence and failure to fulfil the duty of representation during contract negotiations by 243; the Central Region and the Master CBA negotiators.
40 hours guaranteed for a previously non-existent 22.4 position.
24 hours minimum guarantee for RPCDs.
No competent negotiator would put forth a supplement for a vote without answering members questions.
We have to grieve it to find out? What? We asked months ago for clarification. The language was purposely left out.
There is no reason that this has to be left open to interpretation. Can a RPCD ask for 4 ten hour days if they don't work Monday? YES OR NO
Can a RPCD bump a 22.4 on a Saturday or Sunday in order to reach 40 hours? YES OR NO
What is the actual number of protected RPCDs in every center in 243?
These are all questions the membership asked over and over again. No answers. How the friend is one supposed to vote without knowing if their yes vote will result in a 40% loss of income?
They went to the well to often; and now the bottom is about to fall out.
Incompetent, Ignorant or Colluding? Easily answered.
This is not a game. 243 seems to think it is. Playtime is over for 243. They will not get a "time out" for their inexcusable behavior.....but they will get a "voted out"
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I get the feeling you have not read many (any) NLRB DFR cases? Have you spoken with lawyers re: these type of cases? 243 is not in a good position. Now, 243 is recommending a no vote on the exact same agreement that 243 drafted and recommended for a Yes Vote? The woefully inadequate, vague rider and 243's refusal to answer members questions; or more importantly; 243's failure to get answers from UPS will be their undoing.
Lets wait for the NLRB decision re: 243's too late ULP result before we even think of voting on it. Before I retire.
Then we can get some answers before we vote again.
Then and only then; if additional legal action is required; it will be handled by extremely competent NLRB case experienced counsel.
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zubenelgenubi
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Does anyone have a link to the forms to download to file internal charges against another teamster? And anyone know who I'm supposed to file that form with?
Yes, often.
So we're back to the threats? If this...when that...
File your complaint, or are you still looking for the extremely competent NLRB case experienced counsel?
That answer is in your local union bylaws. You can request a copy of those bylaws from your local union principal officer.
BigUnionGuy
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You said you were a "committee man".
No one (including me) have never heard of that term used before, and you couldn't
answer where it came from, because the contract only refers to Stewards.
You should read some of the other supplements.... because under every one,
they all have "cardinal sin" discharge language.
Executive Board ?
There are 16 different Locals in the NorCal supplement, which means there are 16
different Executive Boards. Don't you mean the NorCal negotiation committee ?
Article 12 Section 1.... of the CRT has not changed.
So where are you coming up with 24 hrs per week, for a RPCD ?
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The more you post.... the more bizarre your "conspiracy theory's" get.
-Bug-
BigUnionGuy
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I still reserve the right, to call him a shill for TDU.
I questioned him about that before.
He said "they" are well funded.
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I still reserve the right, to call him a shill for TDU.
I am not sure a TDU member or a Teamster United Member would bring charges against the union.
Call me what you want. I have educated the members in my local. My involvement is a major factor in why the 243 supplement was voted down.
No conspiracy theory.
As soon as charges are appropriate; charges will be filed.
I questioned him about that before.
He said "they" are well funded.
I am not sure a TDU member or a Teamster United Member would bring charges against the union.
Call me what you want. I have educated the members in my local. My involvement is a major factor in why the 243 supplement was voted down.
No conspiracy theory.
As soon as charges are appropriate; charges will be filed.
I questioned him about that before.
He said "they" are well funded.
OK Dana...this sounds eerily familiar...
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I take that back. I believe TDU and/or TU has filed charges against the union.
2 things for sure.
1. I am not TDU or TU.
2. It is not a "threat" of charges being filed in the future.
2 things for sure.
1. I am not TDU or TU.
2. It is not a "threat" of charges being filed in the future.
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I have read every single supplement. Many of them have much firmer language on what actually constitutes a "cardinal" sin. We used to have "other serious offenses" which the company took advantage of. Now we have "cardinal sins". Still not anywhere near as detailed as language in other supplements.
Executive Board ?
There are 16 different Locals in the NorCal supplement, which means there are 16
different Executive Boards. Don't you mean the NorCal negotiation committee ?
Article 12 Section 1.... of the CRT has not changed.
So where are you coming up with 24 hrs per week, for a RPCD ?
Don't play dumb. You already know the answer to this. Only the 1st 90% of the drivers put to work on a Monday are guaranteed 40 hours per week.
Nothing has changed there. What has changed is that the number of drivers put to work on Monday. It has gone down since a huge percentage of residential volume that used to be delivered on Mondays is now being delivered on Saturdays.
We are in a small center and RPCDs are delivering well over 1000 stops on Saturdays. That is about 6-8 routes worth of stops. When these RPCDs are forced back to M-friend than 6-8 RPCDs will be laid off.
In addition; a 22.4 position is guaranteed 5 days straight of 8 hours per day? WTF is that?
So, when UPS goes to a Wednesday thru Sunday schedule; many RPCDs who want to work will be laid off Mondays and Tuesdays will no chance to make up those hours.
The Teamsters created a new guaranteed 40 hour position without 1st guaranteeing current package car drivers 40.
This even effects 22.4s when they go into RPCD. As a 22.4; they had a 40 hour guarantee. Now, they bid into a RPCD position and they are only guaranteed 24 hours.
The 24 hour number is arrived at because 1. No RPCD can be laid off while a 22.4 is working. 2. 22.4s in the future will be working Wednesday thru Sunday so all RPCDs will have a right to work all Wednesdays-Fridays. That guarantees all RPCDs 24 hours.
BUG, your not stupid.
Hoffa/Hall/Taylor/BUG think the members are stupid. Grave mistake.
How can you create a new 40 hour position without adding language that guarantees RPCDs 40.
We had no such guarantee before. 22.4s did not exist so there was no guarantee there. Now the 22.4s get a new 40 hour guarantee and RPCDs are literally left out in the cold.
@browned out
The more you post.... the more bizarre your "conspiracy theory's" get.
You still attempt to pull the wool over the members eyes.[/QUOTE]
Executive Board ?
There are 16 different Locals in the NorCal supplement, which means there are 16
different Executive Boards. Don't you mean the NorCal negotiation committee ?
Article 12 Section 1.... of the CRT has not changed.
So where are you coming up with 24 hrs per week, for a RPCD ?
Don't play dumb. You already know the answer to this. Only the 1st 90% of the drivers put to work on a Monday are guaranteed 40 hours per week.
Nothing has changed there. What has changed is that the number of drivers put to work on Monday. It has gone down since a huge percentage of residential volume that used to be delivered on Mondays is now being delivered on Saturdays.
We are in a small center and RPCDs are delivering well over 1000 stops on Saturdays. That is about 6-8 routes worth of stops. When these RPCDs are forced back to M-friend than 6-8 RPCDs will be laid off.
In addition; a 22.4 position is guaranteed 5 days straight of 8 hours per day? WTF is that?
So, when UPS goes to a Wednesday thru Sunday schedule; many RPCDs who want to work will be laid off Mondays and Tuesdays will no chance to make up those hours.
The Teamsters created a new guaranteed 40 hour position without 1st guaranteeing current package car drivers 40.
This even effects 22.4s when they go into RPCD. As a 22.4; they had a 40 hour guarantee. Now, they bid into a RPCD position and they are only guaranteed 24 hours.
The 24 hour number is arrived at because 1. No RPCD can be laid off while a 22.4 is working. 2. 22.4s in the future will be working Wednesday thru Sunday so all RPCDs will have a right to work all Wednesdays-Fridays. That guarantees all RPCDs 24 hours.
BUG, your not stupid.
Hoffa/Hall/Taylor/BUG think the members are stupid. Grave mistake.
How can you create a new 40 hour position without adding language that guarantees RPCDs 40.
We had no such guarantee before. 22.4s did not exist so there was no guarantee there. Now the 22.4s get a new 40 hour guarantee and RPCDs are literally left out in the cold.
@browned out
The more you post.... the more bizarre your "conspiracy theory's" get.
You still attempt to pull the wool over the members eyes.[/QUOTE]
BigUnionGuy
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I've asked very specific questions.... trying to ascertain your knowledge of the
contract and local conditions. You have yet to respond.
What is more "telling", you seem to have a problem navigating this forum.
Do you want to try.... any of this again ?
Bloviate..."speaking in an empty, pretentious, full-of-himself manner".
Wrong. Accuracy is important amigo, especially when you threaten legal action. There's nothing about Monday in this language anymore.
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My knowledge of the 243 supplement the central region and the master is extensive.
I have read every other single supplement and Regional agreements numerous times. I will admit I am not as well versed in those areas.
It seems many on this site want to ignore the fact that 243 supp, central region and the master was negotiated not in the best interest of the members.
You can't even come up with a viable answer for the guaranteed 40 Hour Week provision.
I have no trouble navigating the nlrb website.
My ability to stay one step ahead of UPS and 243 is one of the main reasons I'm still working at UPS.
I am not threatening an nlrb action. I guarantee it.
I will you let you know when the nlrb action is taken.
As bubble head basically stated: I have been destroying you for over the past month.
I have read every other single supplement and Regional agreements numerous times. I will admit I am not as well versed in those areas.
It seems many on this site want to ignore the fact that 243 supp, central region and the master was negotiated not in the best interest of the members.
You can't even come up with a viable answer for the guaranteed 40 Hour Week provision.
I have no trouble navigating the nlrb website.
My ability to stay one step ahead of UPS and 243 is one of the main reasons I'm still working at UPS.
I am not threatening an nlrb action. I guarantee it.
I will you let you know when the nlrb action is taken.
As bubble head basically stated: I have been destroying you for over the past month.
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