Local 25 Teamsters borderline criminal act?

[just chillin']

they company needs to offer/guarantee a permanent job before someone pays initiation to be a permanent member of the union. lower dollar amount seasonal weekly union dues during peak is one thing until you are hired back permanent (for those that believe seasonal temps should still pay dues but have zero protection). once again i say that the teamsters and UPS negotiated a free period into the contract. its real simple. ya cant make book so ya dont pay dues

 

[just chillin']

so the thousands of employees where not just seasonal employees. sounds like it was an ongoing problem and the union solved it before the year end accounting books where shut and the seasonals got caught in the net so to speak. i still think seasonals should not be paying an initiation in the first place.

 

[wide load]

This was a complete bait and switch.

We're they not handed a paper saying they would pay $32 a week towards their $500 owed, with retroactuve dues coming out when the $500 was paid off? If so, someone working 6 weeks of peak could pay $192 to the union and probably be done with UPS and the Teamster's forever. $192 isn't terrible for someone making a few grand over 6 weeks, cause it sounds like the had the opportunity to work some OT.

Instead, they got the full $500 taken out and now that they've paid the full amount, they will also start paying Local 25's crazy $54 a month for an $11 an hour job. Potentially, instead if $192 for six weeks work, the temporary employee could be hit for $554 for a 6 week temp job.

If Local 25 is that hard up for money they sould set up a Payday Loan business in the employee parking lot...I'm sure some of these guys have a few more dollars they could squeeze out of them.

You’re assuming this 6 week scenario.

 

[UPSER1987]

Sleezy way of doing business

 

[Rick Ross]

You’re assuming this 6 week scenario.

True, but it could also be a schmuck who only worked 4 days before quitting and it just happened to be the week Local 25 decided they didn't want to wait for 16 weeks to get their $500.

I hope you guys fix this, there is no way you can ever convince me a person making $11 an hour should be paying a $500 initiation fee and $54 in dues per month.

When I hired in our fee was $150 and dues were capped at 2 hours per month until you were over $14 an hour, which to me is reasonable. If so e goes straight to full-time then I would be cool with $500 for them...just not in one chunk.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

True, but it could also be a schmuck who only worked 4 days before quitting and it just happened to be the week Local 25 decided they didn't want to wait for 16 weeks to get their $500.

I hope you guys fix this, there is no way you can ever convince me a person making $11 an hour should be paying a $500 initiation fee and $54 in dues per month.

When I hired in our fee was $150 and dues were capped at 2 hours oer month until you were over $14 an hour, which to me is reasonable. If so e goes straight to full-time then I would be cool with $500 for them...just not in one chunk.

$50 part time $100 full time here. It's always been that way

 

[browndevil]

Don't forget the part where more than half who did vote had their votes disregarded.

You're also leaving out the part where local leadership changed the 16 payments of $32 into one payment. Or do you condone that type of act from local leadership?

That language was put in in 1991. Change the language in the Constitution

 

[Rick Ross]

That language was put in in 1991. Change the language in the Constitution

I understand that, although, they weren't forced to follow that but it's in the past.

I was responding to him saying something like 100,000 Teamster's didn't care enough to vote, and simply responded that the majority of those who did care enough to vote had their votes disregarded.

 

[wide load]

True, but it could also be a schmuck who only worked 4 days before quitting and it just happened to be the week Local 25 decided they didn't want to wait for 16 weeks to get their $500.

I hope you guys fix this, there is no way you can ever convince me a person making $11 an hour should be paying a $500 initiation fee and $54 in dues per month.

When I hired in our fee was $150 and dues were capped at 2 hours per month until you were over $14 an hour, which to me is reasonable. If so e goes straight to full-time then I would be cool with $500 for them...just not in one chunk.

Been paying 3x since I’ve started. Had zero issue with it. And how do you know it’s not being addressed one by one in a personal nature as opposed to an anti union news article? $500 isn’t the issue a gather.

 

[Rick Ross]

Why in the world would they have needed 3 hours a month for that long, or now? I was UAW making $28 an hour 20 years ago and we paid 2 hours, i pay 2.5 now.

The reason I don't kown it's being handled one by one is because Local 25 is being silent.

I'll stop beating a dead horse, obviously we disagree on this issue but I do agree with most of your posts.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Why in the world would they have needed 3 hours a month for that long, or now?

My guess, is to pay the bills of the Local ?

I was UAW making $28 an hour 20 years ago and we paid 2 hours, i pay 2.5 now.

The minimum rate for dues in the Teamsters are;


Members making $11 an hour or less, pay 2x their hourly rate.

Members making more than $11 pay 2.5x their hourly rate.


In 2002, the elected delegates from the 2001 convention convened (in Vegas)

for what was known as "The Blue Ribbon Commission" to vote on a change to

the IBT constitution to increase the dues rate. Prior to that, it was just 2x.


Individual Locals, have the right to set their own initiation fee and dues rate.

That's why.... my guess is Local 25's rates are based on their local needs.



-Bug-

 

[trickpony1]

In 2002, the elected delegates from the 2001 convention convened (in Vegas)

Has anyone noticed how the Teamsters "big guns" always seem to meet in exotic places like Vegas and Singapore?

One would think that to save money and make the meetings more accessible to the hourly grunts that are paying their wages, they could meet in a centrally located (in the USA) city like a Motel 6 in Topeka, KS.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Has anyone noticed how the Teamsters "big guns" always seem to meet in exotic places like Vegas

Benefits of elected office ?

All of the major ones are. The IBT Convention, the Unity Conference, the

Women's Conference, the IBT Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus....

and Singapore?

That was Hoffa and his inner circle. (5 people)

global

One would think that to save money and make the meetings more accessible to the hourly grunts that are paying their wages, they could meet in a centrally located (in the USA) city like a Motel 6 in Topeka, KS.

Who would run for office then ?




I mean, why did Fred Z feel the need to go to Canada, for the IBT lawyers

conference ? He's not an IBT lawyer....

 

[trickpony1]

Who would run for office then ?




I mean, why did Fred Z feel the need to go to Canada, for the IBT lawyers

conference ? He's not an IBT lawyer....

It appears you have answered your own question.

 

[trickpony1]

Unlike our current POTUS who has refused his salary, some people think obama was not wealthy when he became POTUS.

Eight years later, Obama is said to be very wealthy and, some believe, didn't give a crap about the nation he led.

See any similarities with elected union officials?

To answer your question of "...who would run?"...how about someone who wants to see our union grow and be solvent in the future. Someone who doesn't need 3 or 4 pensions to retire on...

 

[UnconTROLLed]

It appears you have answered your own question.

Principled and unselfish people need not apply. Good people don't work for, and "move up" in unions.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

It appears you have answered your own question.

It was kind of a rhetorical question, that I already know the answer to.

To answer your question of "...who would run?"...how about someone who wants to see our union grow and be solvent in the future. Someone who doesn't need 3 or 4 pensions to retire on...

Who would that be ?


And, nobody is getting 3 or 4 pensions.

There is a difference between a pension.... and a severance.

Principled and unselfish people need not apply. Good people don't work for, and "move up" in unions.

Hate to tell you....


Even when the TDU pukes (that get elected into office) find out the perks....

They don't talk about them, and try and cling on to them with a death grip.


It's hypocrisy.... 101.



-Bug-

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Principled and unselfish people need not apply. Good people don't work for, and "move up" in unions.

I am trying to be nice here...

So I'll just say that your statement is false. There are many good people that hold union office. Some hold to the same standard that they did when they were an unpaid steward.

I'm sick of many things in the job but your posts seem to be totally uncontrolled in the realm of objective reality.

I believe @Inthegame , @Bubblehead , and others could take offense to your comment having been elected to their positions.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Has anyone noticed how the Teamsters "big guns" always seem to meet in exotic places like Vegas and Singapore?

One would think that to save money and make the meetings more accessible to the hourly grunts that are paying their wages, they could meet in a centrally located (in the USA) city like a Motel 6 in Topeka, KS.

I wouldnt care as much about where they met if they (all) honestly did their job like they owed the membership.
Some forgot where they came from and who pays the bills.

 

[bowhnterdon]

It was kind of a rhetorical question, that I already know the answer to.





Who would that be ?


And, nobody is getting 3 or 4 pensions.

There is a difference between a pension.... and a severance.





Hate to tell you....


Even when the TDU pukes (that get elected into office) find out the perks....

They don't talk about them, and try and cling on to them with a death grip.


It's hypocrisy.... 101.



-Bug-

Lol,no doubt. I have seen several people with all kinds of different views on where the Union should be headed,get elected. None of them ever complained about the compensation or introduced cost saving measures. Zero...