Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

[bigd]

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/ups-brown-gave-pink-slip-250-protesters-n71111

Now you and your TDU fools are going to blame the media for not reporting on your favor?! Lol

WOW great job local804 executive board!

If you all have some type of honor resign immediately.

 

[browned out]

Why was Jario singled out and discharged while other drivers did the same thing on the same day yet received no discipline?
Why are 20 drivers terminated while the other 230 are still working?

Disparite discipline has been issued and these issues need to be addressed thru the arbitrator, media outlets or proper l egal channels.

 

[Citizen Insane]

The drivers termination that sparked this walkout was of course bogus. From what I hear he had punched in early in similar fashion MANY times throughout his career. He'd never been reprimanded or written up about the infraction. Basically, UPS decided this tenured employee who didn't give them worthwhile numbers, filed a bit too many grievances and used his seniority rights too much probably wasn't worth having around anymore. So they got him on a technicality. It's what they do. Liam was fed up with it and he reacted hastily.

I've been a driver in Maspeth for 4 years now. I've never really been overly involved with the union. I've never filed a grievance and I've never been to a union meeting in that time. I keep to myself, do my job to the best of my ability then go home. That day the walkout started 20 mins BEFORE my start time. So by the time I got to the building everyone was outside already. By the time I figured out what was going on... UPS management was escorting everyone protesting off of UPS grounds. I did NOT walk off the job and I was NOT a knowingly active participant. Yet here I am waiting to be fired. Had you been in my situation.. would you have walked into work while 250 protesters made up of your fellow union members watched you? Knowing that if you did.. you'd be ostracized for the duration of your career?

The fact of the matter is a lot of people were just following our business agents lead under the assumption that in no way would this guy put us in a position that would jeopardize our career. The response by this company by putting every one of those 250 drivers on working termination for following their union rep to make a "point" is excessive. Especially considering these are the same drivers that pulled this company through the late nights and ungodly hours of record volume during peak. Plus 2 additional months of some of the worst weather the northeast has seen in years. To then carry on with the working termination by firing 20 randomly selected employees is disgusting and hypocritical.

This company breaks this contract ALL THE TIME. When they don't break it they twist the language in it so it fits their narrative. You can armchair QB this thing and justify UPS's reponse as if you're immune all you want. But if you no longer produce the numbers you once did and don't tow the company line.. you can be terminated. If you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time... you can be terminated. A mutually beneficial resolution here affects everyone.

 

[WESLA]

The drivers termination that sparked this walkout was of course bogus. From what I hear he had punched in early in similar fashion MANY times throughout his career. He'd never been reprimanded or written up about the infraction. Basically, UPS decided this tenured employee who didn't give them worthwhile numbers, filed a bit too many grievances and used his seniority rights too much probably wasn't worth having around anymore. So they got him on a technicality. It's what they do. Liam was fed up with it and he reacted hastily.

I've been a driver in Maspeth for 4 years now. I've never really been overly involved with the union. I've never filed a grievance and I've never been to a union meeting in that time. I keep to myself, do my job to the best of my ability then go home. That day the walkout started 20 mins BEFORE my start time. So by the time I got to the building everyone was outside already. By the time I figured out what was going on... UPS management was escorting everyone protesting off of UPS grounds. I did NOT walk off the job and I was NOT a knowingly active participant. Yet here I am waiting to be fired. Had you been in my situation.. would you have walked into work while 250 protesters made up of your fellow union members watched you? Knowing that if you did.. you'd be ostracized for the duration of your career?

The fact of the matter is a lot of people were just following our business agents lead under the assumption that in no way would this guy put us in a position that would jeopardize our career. The response by this company by putting every one of those 250 drivers on working termination for following their union rep to make a "point" is excessive. Especially considering these are the same drivers that pulled this company through the late nights and ungodly hours of record volume during peak. Plus 2 additional months of some of the worst weather the northeast has seen in years. To then carry on with the working termination by firing 20 randomly selected employees is disgusting and hypocritical.

This company breaks this contract ALL THE TIME. When they don't break it they twist the language in it so it fits their narrative. You can armchair QB this thing and justify UPS's reponse as if you're immune all you want. But if you no longer produce the numbers you once did and don't tow the company line.. you can be terminated. If you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time... you can be terminated. A mutually beneficial resolution here
affects everyone.

So you didn't cross the picket line?

 

[atatbl]

The drivers termination that sparked this walkout was of course bogus. From what I hear he had punched in early in similar fashion MANY times throughout his career. He'd never been reprimanded or written up about the infraction. Basically, UPS decided this tenured employee who didn't give them worthwhile numbers, filed a bit too many grievances and used his seniority rights too much probably wasn't worth having around anymore. So they got him on a technicality. It's what they do. Liam was fed up with it and he reacted hastily.

I've been a driver in Maspeth for 4 years now. I've never really been overly involved with the union. I've never filed a grievance and I've never been to a union meeting in that time. I keep to myself, do my job to the best of my ability then go home. That day the walkout started 20 mins BEFORE my start time. So by the time I got to the building everyone was outside already. By the time I figured out what was going on... UPS management was escorting everyone protesting off of UPS grounds. I did NOT walk off the job and I was NOT a knowingly active participant. Yet here I am waiting to be fired. Had you been in my situation.. would you have walked into work while 250 protesters made up of your fellow union members watched you? Knowing that if you did.. you'd be ostracized for the duration of your career?

The fact of the matter is a lot of people were just following our business agents lead under the assumption that in no way would this guy put us in a position that would jeopardize our career. The response by this company by putting every one of those 250 drivers on working termination for following their union rep to make a "point" is excessive. Especially considering these are the same drivers that pulled this company through the late nights and ungodly hours of record volume during peak. Plus 2 additional months of some of the worst weather the northeast has seen in years. To then carry on with the working termination by firing 20 randomly selected employees is disgusting and hypocritical.

This company breaks this contract ALL THE TIME. When they don't break it they twist the language in it so it fits their narrative. You can armchair QB this thing and justify UPS's reponse as if you're immune all you want. But if you no longer produce the numbers you once did and don't tow the company line.. you can be terminated. If you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time... you can be terminated. A mutually beneficial resolution here affects everyone.

As much as you will hate to hear it or simply reject it: I think it's clear I'm not the only one that would cross. I don't work for our BA. He's never given me a paycheck. There is only one group of people that I would ever let jeopardize my career, and that's because (in theory) you may have to let them in order to get paid; actual bosses. I would never have to "assume" some random clown (which is what BA's are, they don't work for the company and are leaches on all of us) wouldn't risk my career because I wouldn't treat my career with such reckless abandon.

I care about taking care of my family a lot more than I care about what 250 other people (whom I see for ~20 minutes a day) think about me. I wouldn't expect to work anywhere when I didn't "tow (sp) the line." Why, in god's name, would anyone pay me to upset their operations? How is following company policies and understanding who my actual boss is making me a minority here? I don't think I am. I think the naive minority is actually very vocal on this forum, which is why others are keeping quiet.

 

[OPTION3]

As much as you will hate to hear it or simply reject it: I think it's clear I'm not the only one that would cross. I don't work for our BA. He's never given me a paycheck. There is only one group of people that I would ever let jeopardize my career, and that's because (in theory) you may have to let them in order to get paid; actual bosses. I would never have to "assume" some random clown (which is what BA's are, they don't work for the company and are leaches on all of us) wouldn't risk my career because I wouldn't treat my career with such reckless abandon.

I care about taking care of my family a lot more than I care about what 250 other people (whom I see for ~20 minutes a day) think about me. I wouldn't expect to work anywhere when I didn't "tow (sp) the line." Why, in god's name, would anyone pay me to upset their operations? How is following company policies and understanding who my actual boss is making me a minority here? I don't think I am. I think the naive minority is actually very vocal on this forum, which is why others are keeping quiet.

Hope your back stays strong

 

[Citizen Insane]

So you didn't cross the picket line?

No I did not.

As much as you will hate to hear it or simply reject it: I think it's clear I'm not the only one that would cross. I don't work for our BA. He's never given me a paycheck. There is only one group of people that I would ever let jeopardize my career, and that's because you have to let them to get paid; actual bosses. I would never have to "assume" some random clown (which is what BA's are, they don't work for the company and are leaches on all of us) wouldn't risk my career because I wouldn't treat my career with such reckless abandon.

I care about taking care of my family a lot more than I care about what 250 other people (whom I see for ~20 minutes a day) think about me. I wouldn't expect to work anywhere when I didn't "tow (sp) the line." Why, in god's name, would anyone pay me to upset their operations? How is following company policies and understanding who my actual boss is making me a minority here? I don't think I am. I think the naive minority is actual very vocal here on this forum, which is why others are keeping quiet.

250 drivers and not a single one crossed. That's an adequate sampling and it disproves your point that you wouldn't be the only one to cross the line... because you most likely would be.

There's a contract in place that UPS has signed that stipulates that they're not allowed to terminate employees without due process not including certain infractions. Making it your business to make sure the company follows the contract is re-framed as "upsetting the operation". Punching in early is re-framed as not "following company policy". Bottom line... there are a lot of ways the company could have responded to a hasty action other than batch firing 250 employees.

 

[atatbl]

No I did not.



250 drivers and not a single one crossed. That's an adequate sampling and it disproves your point that you wouldn't be the only one to cross the line... because you most likely would be.

There's a contract in place that UPS has signed that stipulates that they're not allowed to terminate employees without due process. Making it your business to make sure the company follows the contract is re-framed as "upsetting the operation". Punching in early is re-framed as not "following company policy".

OK, how do you "re-frame" participating in a unauthorized strike in a manner that the public would likely sympathize with? If a majority of you are under the impression that the public cares about UPS violating a contract "every day" then this situation is a whole lot worse for you then most of you imagine. People do not care that a union contract is violated at all (much less the ways UPS does it often, usually very small infractions that no one outside UPS gives a shoot about) because (like it or not, right or wrong) unions are on their way out and very few people think of good things to associate with them. And if anyone of you think that the driver was actually going to lose his job for punching early then I don't know what to tell you that hasn't already been said and written.

FWIW, punching in early (unauthorized) is stealing. Who brainwashed most of you (maybe not you, specifically)? Did the same BA that led this unauthorized strike convince you guys that this crap is actually gold?

I can't even begin to know how someone becomes an adult, gets a job and works for more than a day with the demonstrated attitude of entitlement we have in this scenario and the delusion that the public cares AT ALL about 250 drivers being fired. As soon as the politicians showcase enough to get the 15-20 votes that this will garner them, they will be on their way and this will be forgotten about. 250 drivers will likely be left jobless, by their own doing, or the unions, or whoever they want to blame that day, it won't matter. What will matter is that 250 people may have to try and find jobs because someone, or many people wanted to prove a point.

I think they will have the point proven to them that their dissatisfaction in the workplace was nothing compared to the battle that they will face finding new employment. I won't even bring up comparable salaries in their new work, because that's not happening. If even 100 drivers have a minimum wage job in the next year I will be amazed. At least 50 (statistically speaking, if current trends continue) will not work in the foreseeable future. Think about that. If they are 55, they will not be likely to even be blessed with an employment proposition again during their working years. Yeah, that's worth showing the company what's up.

If UPS "breaking the contract daily" is still a priority when that happens then I...... on second thought.... I actually won't be surprised... at..... all. Sorry man, but that's what the real world looks like for those of us that accept reality. The teamsters are not special, noble, necessary, helpful, worthwhile or any of the other fairy tale-like qualities that members here continue to constantly tell each other they are because no one outside of their package car will listen to their BS. I guess it will take 250 pink slips at a time for some people to learn, but the lesson will be taught whether it's liked or not.

 

[OPTION3]

ok

 

[atatbl]

Hope your back stays strong

I sure as hell hope it does too! However, being an adult that cares about my kids, you can bet my back-up plan will keep us well above water if I need to use it. Physical work is, in some ways, a lottery. Anyone who believes themselves to be invincible is very foolish. Always be ready and qualified to switch a non-physical job if the need arises. Do it for your kids, or wife or husband or yourself or whoever. Just don't think $70,000+/year is somehow guaranteed when you may not be able to do the job tomorrow. And anyone who says they "can't afford to go to school" or they "don't have the time" should look up what some single parents have accomplished in schooling. I can't even imagine how they do it, but I'm relatively sure that making excuses is not part of their process. None of that was directed at you, OPTION3, in particular. But you brought up an excellent point.

 

[atatbl]

ok

 

[you aint even know it]

OK, how do you "rerame" participating in a unauthorized strike in a manner that the public would likely sympathize with? If a majority of you are under the impression that the public cares about UPS violating a contract "every day" then this situation is a whole lot worse for you then most of you imagine. People do not care that a union contract is violated at all (much less the ways UPS does it often, usually very small infractions that no one outside UPS gives a shoot about) because (like it or not, right or wrong) unions are on their way out and very few people think of good things to associate with them. And if anyone of you think that the driver was actually going to lose his job for punching early then I don't know what to tell you that hasn't already been said and written.

FWIW, punching in early (unauthorized) is stealing. Who brainwashed most of you (maybe not you, specifically)? Did the same BA that led this unauthorized strike convince you guys that this crap is actually gold?

I can't even begin to know how someone becomes an adult, gets a job and works for more than a day with the demonstrated attitude of entitlement we have in this scenario and the delusion that the public cares AT ALL about 250 drivers being fired. As soon as the politicians showcase enough to get the 15-20 votes that this will garner them, they will be on their way and this will be forgotten about. 250 drivers will likely be left jobless, by their own doing, or the unions, or whoever they want to blame that day, it won't matter. What will matter is that 250 people may have to try and find jobs because someone, or many people wanted to prove a point.

I think they will have the point proven to them that their dissatisfaction in the workplace was nothing compared to the battle that they will face finding new employment. I won't even bring up comparable salaries in their new work, because that's not happening. If even 100 drivers have a minimum wage job in the next year I will be amazed. At least 50 (statistically speaking, if current trends continue) will not work in the foreseeable future. Think about that. If they are 55, they will not be likely to even be blessed with an employment proposition again during their working years. Yeah, that's worth showing the company what's up.

If UPS "breaking the contract daily" is still a priority when that happens then I...... on second thought.... I actually won't be surprised... at..... all. Sorry man, but that's what the real world looks like for those of us that accept reality. The teamsters are not special, noble, necessary, helpful, worthwhile or any of the other fairy tale-like qualities that members here continue to constantly tell each other they are because no one outside of their package car will listen to their BS. I guess it will take 250 pink slips at a time for some people to learn, but the lesson will be taught whether it's liked or not.

Wow, what a callous misinformed person you are. You have no idea what any of these drivers are going through or have met any of them. One driver from my building (a really good guy) got terminated because he was one of the drivers who participated - a thing that no coward would dare do. As a part timer, I even feel really bad when I hear any of these drivers talk about what day could be their last, and planning on what they are going to do after.

 

[atatbl]

Wow, what a callous misinformed person you are. You have no idea what any of these drivers are going through or have met any of them. One driver from my building (a really good guy) got terminated because he was one of the drivers who participated - a thing that no coward would dare do. As a part timer, I even feel really bad when I hear any of these drivers talk about what day could be their last, and planning on what they are going to do after.

I won't address most of this drivel, just point out that your understanding of a driver's job is laughable. Also, you feel bad when you hear any of the drivers talking about their backup plans in their career? Maybe prostitution is an exception, but almost every profession in the history of mankind has been eliminated or greatly downsized as the world has turned. It sounds like you interact with some smart drivers occasionally. They realize that no one is recession-proof. I'm not sure why that would make you feel bad, but given the rest of your post I'm not surprised that your reactions are illogical and ill-conceived. lol @ me being misinformed, in comparison to you, though. haha.

 

[teamster 804]

lmao. I love the OP. A bunch of union leadership urges these clowns to stop an unsanctioned strike and they refuse. These types of "work stoppages" are made up of individuals that do not deserve a union. I'm glad they have to find out what the real world is like where people don't just hand you things for nothing and there is actual accountability. Do these drivers think they're politicians or something? What type of individual would not foresee the consequences here when both sides are urging them to stop? I can tell you- the type of people that shouldn't be taking up jobs in a scarce workforce. There are people out there that actually take work seriously. We should hire them instead.

What a J/O HAND THINGS FOR NOTHING

As much as you will hate to hear it or simply reject it: I think it's clear I'm not the only one that would cross. I don't work for our BA. He's never given me a paycheck. There is only one group of people that I would ever let jeopardize my career, and that's because (in theory) you may have to let them in order to get paid; actual bosses. I would never have to "assume" some random clown (which is what BA's are, they don't work for the company and are leaches on all of us) wouldn't risk my career because I wouldn't treat my career with such reckless abandon.

I care about taking care of my family a lot more than I care about what 250 other people (whom I see for ~20 minutes a day) think about me. I wouldn't expect to work anywhere when I didn't "tow (sp) the line." Why, in god's name, would anyone pay me to upset their operations? How is following company policies and understanding who my actual boss is making me a minority here? I don't think I am. I think the naive minority is actually very vocal on this forum, which is why others are keeping quiet.

 

[atatbl]

What a J/O HAND THINGS FOR NOTHING

So are you already terminated or are they teasing you with a couple week's pay?

 

[island1fox]

I dont know if im reading too much into this BUT the driver's name is Jairo, NOT "Jose"!!

804,

You are reading too much into this . On another internet blog the name Jose was used. I do not know Jairo or Jose --but do feel for the 250 and their families --also believe that the action was way overboard and someone is going to pay for it .

 

[island1fox]

1) But you weren't in Maspeth, so it's the Maspeth 250!

2) But you weren't in Maspeth, so you don't know that the drivers didn't evaluate the facts!

3) But you weren't in Maspeth, so you don't know if Jose "was a constant problem in all areas" or "committed the Cardinal sin of Dishonesty"!

4) But you weren't in Maspeth, so you just can't judge Jose's innocence or guilt!

Speaking for myself, I'm OK with the fact that you weren't in Maspeth. I'd bet the Maspeth 250 are equally OK with it. It's really OK. Some guys just aren't cut out for difficult decisions or foxholes.

brown spider,

Enough with the b.s.

I do not think it is important enough to go back and look --but I believe it was you who put me in the "hypothetical" of being in Maspeth.

So speaking for myself -the point that obviously went over your head --I will repeat .

In all of our jobs --put the rah rah unity bs aside for a moment --we have seen the same old same old same old lazy person gaming the system day in --day out --with union dues being spent on trying to save the clown.

My point WAS and IS if the Dismissal was warranted or because of a constant problem -I would have evaluated that ---and would have had more COURAGE- and stayed-than to be a rah rah Blind following the Dumb over a cliff.

P.S 804 will read into the name Jose ???

 

[Brown Spider]

brown spider,

Enough with the b.s.

I do not think it is important enough to go back and look --but I believe it was you who put me in the "hypothetical" of being in Maspeth.

So speaking for myself -the point that obviously went over your head --I will repeat .

In all of our jobs --put the rah rah unity bs aside for a moment --we have seen the same old same old same old lazy person gaming the system day in --day out --with union dues being spent on trying to save the clown.

My point WAS and IS if the Dismissal was warranted or because of a constant problem -I would have evaluated that ---and would have had more COURAGE- and stayed-than to be a rah rah Blind following the Dumb over a cliff.

P.S 804 will read into the name Jose ???

No b.s. here, island. You're right, it's not important enough to go back and look, but it was me who originally put you in the "hypothetical" of being in Maspeth. I don't, however, believe that you've yet raised a point that "went over my head" and I would never characterize the solidarity within the labor movement as being "rah rah unity bs. Nor would I characterize that solidarity as "Blind following the Dumb over a cliff". For every guy out there who is "gaming the system day in -- day out", there are 10 supervisors pointing at another 50 guys each who they claim are "gaming the system day in -- day out! And guys like you, island, are buying right into it! So the people who are doing a disservice to their Union are that guy who is "gaming the system" AND the guy who is exacerbating the situation by making unfounded allegations about the Maspeth drivers! Of course, YOU would have evaluated the dismissal to determine if it was warranted, and would have had more courage and stayed. That would suggest that those drivers who walked out did not evaluate and/or did not have enough personal knowledge of the work ethic of their co-worker to know that it was time to take action.

While I disagree with much of what you say, I do have a degree of respect for the way you present it. There are others on this thread who see the Maspeth walkout as a political opportunity to call for the resignation of the Executive Board and point fingers at anyone who appears to support the Board. It's just a bit silly for someone who posts as "not what I voted for" to expect to be taken for anything but a political opportunist.

As for the "Jose" issue, don't worry about it. Yes, you inadvertently made the initial mistake and I inadvertently repeated it, but I think the criticism was directed more at me because of that political opportunism thing!

 

[yes-no-maybe]

I have been watching this forum for the last few weeks since the action in Maspeth, lurking, if you will. I am a retired driver and former steward in that building. To sit here and read the sniping and backbiting coming from, what it seems like folks who have way too much time on their hands and far to many uneducated opinions is truly sad. I know personally some of the guys who were walked off the job on Monday and I was Jairo's steward. He is and was always a stand up guy and worked his tail off for UPS. I retired in 2007 and know for a fact that he was changing his start time, approved by the suits since I was there. His route is unique and demands that he be ready to leave the building ASAP. As far as all the talk of contract knowledge and views of right or wrong this will be played out in the office of the arbitrator not here in Brown Café. As they say, opinions are like s....we all have one. But please, spare me the pseudo-intellectual personal attacks of the likes of some of you who not only sound like someone I wouldn't want standing shoulder to shoulder with me in an organized labor situation but wouldn't want to even be in the same room with you personally. For someone who should be feeling, if nothing less, a kindred spirit with fellow workers it is appalling to read other drivers proclaiming the righteousness of this evil heavy handed company in the discharge of these guys. Where a 2 or 3 day suspension would have served the same purpose (which, by the way, is what Ron Carey took in the 80's for the very same action). I'm a pragmatic guy and never thought for a minute that I had 100% of my people behind me or any of my decisions but for god's sake, stop mocking them and stop supporting people who are set against your own best interest.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I think the naive minority is actually very vocal on this forum, which is why others are keeping quiet.

All the while....

Your "self congratulatory" intellectual fapping....

Is the epitome, of a shallow mind.



Walk it back.... Truck Driver.



-Bug-