Longshoremen’s Strike

[sailfish]

“The Founding Fathers established the Electoral College in the Constitution, in part, as a compromise between the election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens.”

Electoral College History

How did we get the Electoral College? The Founding Fathers established the Electoral College in the Constitution, in part, as a compromise between the election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. However, the term...

www.archives.gov

And "qualified citizens" has become way too broad now.

 

[Next Day Err]

That the north insisted on. Open a in book.

What on earth are you talking about?

The North did not insist on the Three-Fifths Compromise but reluctantly agreed to it as part of broader negotiations during the Constitutional Convention. The compromise was proposed primarily by Southern delegates, who wanted enslaved individuals to be fully counted in determining their states’ representation in Congress, even though these individuals had no voting rights. Northern states, where slavery was less prevalent, objected to this idea, arguing that enslaved people should not be counted at all for representation, since they were not treated as citizens.

 

[vantexan]

I’m arguing in a narrower way here about the EC’s history.

Yes but your group sees racism in everything. The fact was that at that time there were slave and non slave states. They had to reach a compromise. That they came up with the 3/5ths designation for counting the black population in the Census doesn't taint the EC's proceedings today. What they did then is a reminder of what the world was like then. The EC today is about insuring that citizens in all states have a voice in the political process. California gets the most influence by sheer numbers of legislators but doesn't get to dominate national discourse because one party has an overwhelming majority there. It's why we have 50 different state elections as opposed to one Federal election. And why candidates have to go to places like Wisconsin and North Carolina rather than just set up shop in California and New York.

 

[sailfish]

A thread about the longshoremen's strike has somehow devolved into an argument about how racist the Electoral College is. Par for the course.

 

[UnionStrong]

A thread about the longshoremen's strike has somehow devolved into an argument about how racist the Electoral College is. Par for the course.

Time to clean house. The reptiles have taken over.

 

[Pullman Brown]

A thread about the longshoremen's strike has somehow devolved into an argument about how racist the Electoral College is. Par for the course.

It’s all related

 

[Next Day Err]

The EC today is about insuring that citizens in all states have a voice in the political process

We could easily do that with popular vote. One person, one vote.

 

[vantexan]

Originally the electors would be selected by state legislatures. The people choose the state representatives then the states would choose the president essentially. The States( Federalism) are the critical element to choosing the president not the National Popular Vote Bill. George Mason” it would be as unnatural to refer the choice of a proper character for chief Magistrate to the people, as it would, to refer a trial of colours to a blind man. The extent of the Country renders it impossible that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the Candidates.”


Very few members of the founding generation considered the American people as an amorphous “people”; they were the people of the STATES, and the state have a clear role in the Constitution from the beginning to end, including the selection of the President.

Might be that modern transportation and communications has made this country a lot "smaller". Because of the time and effort needed to travel by horse the saying "all politics are local" had real meaning to people who had no idea in Savannah, Georgia what was going on in Philadelphia until well after the fact.

 

[vantexan]

We could easily do that with popular vote. One person, one vote.

Except people who are much more culturally different in Wyoming would always take a backseat in influence compared to those in California. So places like California would completely dominate national discourse.

 

[Pullman Brown]

Might be that modern transportation and communications has made this country a lot "smaller". Because of the time and effort needed to travel by horse the saying " all politics are local" had real meaning to people who had no idea in Savannah, Georgia what was going on in Philadelphia until well after the fact.

100 percent! The colonies were their own countries and regionalism was real! It is a blessing and curse but it definitely has accelerated everything being nationalized. Rome became impossible to control, they tried but to no avail!

 

[Pullman Brown]

We could easily do that with popular vote. One person, one vote.

That has led to demagoguery no thanks!

 

[Pullman Brown]

 

[tourists24]

Because you don’t read credible journalism.

who is the credible journalism?

 

[Pullman Brown]

It is a myth—but one often repeated—that the Framers “really wanted” the president to be chosen by the people at large; supposedly they rejected this method only because the people in one State would not know enough about candidates from other States. But the records from the Philadelphia Convention clearly illustrate that the Founders intended the Electoral College to be a buffer against the potential abuses of democracy. Several members of the Philadelphia Convention warned against a popularly elected “king” as being dangerous to the liberty of the people. They did not want a demagogue, a despot, or a tyrant, and thought it was better to have an appointed executive than one who would flatter the people for votes.

The popular vote was not tallied until 1824, the first year a member of the founding generation was not among the list of candidates for president. That clearly shows what little regard the founding generation had for the people at large in the election process. George Mason wondered aloud during the Philadelphia Convention if a presidential election should be “performed by those who know least. . . .”Perhaps this question should still be considered.

Brion McClanahan

 

[Pullman Brown]

who is the credible journalism?

Brown Cafe

 

[Next Day Err]

That has led to demagoguery no thanks!

We have demagoguery now. He’s exaggerating threats and selling the gullible $100,000 gold watches.

 

[Next Day Err]

So places like California would completely dominate national discourse.

They’re the fifth largest economy in the world, maybe they’re doing something right? They also have more Republican voters than any other state. States’ rights?

 

[Next Day Err]

Time to clean house. The reptiles have taken over.

Give Biden a little credit for not intervening in the strike.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

A thread about the longshoremen's strike has somehow devolved into an argument about how racist the Electoral College is. Par for the course.

It's all about Trump.
Everything is for these people.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

We could easily do that with popular vote. One person, one vote.

What state doesn't do it that way?