Negotiations

[Just A UPS Guy]

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He looked good on Cavuto, too, who can be a difficult interviewer.

 

[Non liberal]

There's a video saying that there must be a ratified contract voted on by the 1st?

Was that after July 5. Because that was the whole point of rushing to get a deal done by the 5th I thought, so we could have it ratified by 8/1. Otherwise he’s no dofferent then Hoffa. A main focus of his election campaign was having a contract ratified by 8/1 so we didn’t have to wait on our money.

 

[Non liberal]

JFC!!!! Labor laws run both ways. SOB pulled his people out of negotiations on the 5th that's as far as he can go... you can't strike on the fifth and the company knows that. The company also knows SOB can't call a strike on the 1st if they have a endorsed deal waiting ratification

SOB is just trying to rally the troops and keep up pressure, it's not buisness as usual and your not being lied to.

We’ll see could have sworn he said UPS was going to strike themselves if we didn’t have a deal by the 5th. Lol, whatever they’re all a bunch of liars. We’ll see if we have a “handshake agreement” by 8/1.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Was that after July 5. Because that was the whole point of rushing to get a deal done by the 5th I thought, so we could have it ratified by 8/1. Otherwise he’s no dofferent then Hoffa. A main focus of his election campaign was having a contract ratified by 8/1 so we didn’t have to wait on our money.

IT'S NOT UP TO HIM!!! You keep trying to make this a thing, it's not.

Repeat your point over and over, hoping it becomes more true....how very liberal of you.

 

[Non liberal]

IT'S NOT UP TO HIM!!! You keep trying to make this a thing, it's not.

Repeat your point over and over, hoping it becomes more true....how very liberal of you.

I’m not the bag who said it. The issue here is people like you enjoy being lied to apparently when you even know it’s a lie. I do not!

 

[Non liberal]

IT'S NOT UP TO HIM!!! You keep trying to make this a thing, it's not.

Repeat your point over and over, hoping it becomes more true....how very liberal of you.

Notice the date of the article. Notice the deadline.

 

[Non liberal]

JFC!!!! Labor laws run both ways. SOB pulled his people out of negotiations on the 5th that's as far as he can go... you can't strike on the fifth and the company knows that. The company also knows SOB can't call a strike on the 1st if they have a endorsed deal waiting ratification

SOB is just trying to rally the troops and keep up pressure, it's not buisness as usual and you’re not being lied to.

Again, it’s just not what they were leading people to believe. They were trying to get a deal done by the 5th and failed. That’s all i pointed out. I think that part is pretty clear. I don’t care what he had to do because of rules (half the time they don’t follow the rules anyway) he shouldn’t have made such a big deal about getting a deal done by the 5th if he wasn’t positive he could do it. He only hurt his negotiating power by doing so. I understand now that rules prevented him by doing so, all the more reason not to do it, lol the company sure as hell knew that.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I’m not the bag who said it. The issue here is people like you enjoy being lied to apparently when you even know it’s a lie. I do not!

People like me recognize that's its not a lie when it's a simple statement of intent, its people like you that can't comprehend and blow out of context that create a pool of malcontents over nothing.

 

[Non liberal]

People like me recognize that's its not a lie when it's a simple statement of intent, its people like you that can't comprehend and blow out of context that create a pool of malcontents over nothing.

Did he say it or not? Excuse me for taking people at their word. He ed up thinking they would cave and he was wrong. So now we are going to get less, whatever that may be, because he ed up. That’s all, not trying to blow anything out of proportion. It’s what happened.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Did he say it or not? Excuse me for taking people at their word. He ed up thinking they would cave and he was wrong. So now we are going to get less, whatever that may be, because he ed up. That’s all, not trying to blow anything out of proportion. It’s what happened.

Did he say that he had to have a deal by the 5th in order for it to be ratified by the 1st? Yes.

 

[Non liberal]

Did he say that he had to have a deal by the 5th in order for it to be ratified by the 1st? Yes.

Thank you, and the consequences of not having one was walking

 

[deeztier]

Again, it’s just not what they were leading people to believe. They were trying to get a deal done by the 5th and failed. That’s all i pointed out. I think that part is pretty clear. I don’t care what he had to do because of rules (half the time they don’t follow the rules anyway) he shouldn’t have made such a big deal about getting a deal done by the 5th if he wasn’t positive he could do it. He only hurt his negotiating power by doing so. I understand now that rules prevented him by doing so, all the more reason not to do it, lol the company sure as hell knew that.

the way it was presented, it seemed UPS begged to keep negotiating till July 5th. Sean asked for a BFO by June 30th. UPS made the big deal and were positive they could get it done.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Thank you, and the consequences of not having one was walking

Never was even a possibility. Where did you read that?

 

[Non liberal]

Never was even a possibility. Where did you read that?

Bottom paragraph, but repeatedly it’s been said early on about no more handshake agreements like with the previous administration. And also here, when he says “ups knows our deadline” which was the 5th

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Bottom paragraph, but repeatedly it’s been said early on about no more handshake agreements like with the previous administration.

Not sure what you mean by "handshake deal" but it's never been said that we won't work under a tentative agreement, and you refuse understand that if we have a TA, we have to continue to work. It is what it is man, you keep inventing "facts," you're only going to see it your way, good luck.

 

[Non liberal]

Not sure what you mean by "handshake deal" but it's never been said that we won't work under a tentative agreement, and you refuse understand that if we have a TA, we have to continue to work. It is what it is man, you keep inventing "facts," you're only going to see it your way, good luck.

Not inventing anything. He’s just pretending to be this big man who is going to do things that he doesn’t have the power to do. Same old, same old

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Not inventing anything. He’s just pretending to be this big man who is going to do things that he doesn’t have the power to do. Same old, same old

No, he's said what he's said, you choose to twist it your way, regardless of being shown the facts. He's held the same line all the way through, he hasn't given up any bargaining power. If UPS has the upper hand, why would they refuse to hand us a LBFO? You don't understand, and that's fine, but you can't just make up and spew it everywhere. If you think this is the same as it ever was, you were clearly never here before this contract.

Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it anymore true.

 

[Non liberal]

No, he's said what he's said, you choose to twist it your way, regardless of being shown the facts. He's held the same line all the way through, he hasn't given up any bargaining power. If UPS has the upper hand, why would they refuse to hand us a LBFO? You don't understand, and that's fine, but you can't just make up and spew it everywhere. If you think this is the same as it ever was, you were clearly never here before this contract.

Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it anymore true.

They did give us LBFO, it was refused. The deal wasn’t done

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

They did give us LBFO, it was refused. The deal wasn’t done

When was that? He asked for one on the 30th, they agreed to negotiate further, and the company refused to give one on the 5th. What'd I miss?

 

[Appvol]

Wonder why UPS want release their 2nd quarter earnings till after August 1st.