Negotiations

HarryWarden

Well-Known Member
The Company could just simply raise it to 25 bucks an hour..then start chasing these kids off the clock at 3.5 like they did in the 80’s.

But, that would mean creating more full time jobs and adding additional costs in pension and health and welfare contributions.
That sounds good to me. Raise the wage of part time jobs and create more full time jobs because people will still want the hours and it will be cheaper for the company to pay a long term full time worker who knows what they’re doing instead of 2 or 3 part time workers that come and go within a year like they do now
 

KearsargeCoop

Baseball, dart board
The Teamsters are a local and state level political power that drives turnout at the polls. They have large PACs that give to both Republican and Democrat candidates. They also give to individual candidates. They have lobbyists that help shape laws.

I don't think any branch of our government wants to be near a decision that goes against them for fear of political reprisals.

As far as public sympathy: why do you think O'Brien is leaning so hard into the pandemic hero imagery and talking about the guys behind the scenes that loaded the trucks? And the words poverty wages come out so much. You can't get sympathy for driver wages from the public--but part timers making less than $20 an hour some after having been with the company for 1 decade. Yeah, they can sell that. And the best part: it plays into the union's playbook of being able to organize Amazon by showing their part-timers what can be gained by unionizing.
He's the new guy, gotta prove his worth. We just picked a fight with the biggest dude on the cell block. They're in the second round, and both are starting to get winded.
 

DOK

Well-Known Member
You clearly don't understand how this works. He hasn't extended anything, we walk Aug 1, that's the deadline, it's always been the deadline. He asked for the LBFO when they weren't willing to budge, so as to get this :censored2: contract offer proposed and then deny it. Then negotiations broke down on the 5th, neither of these are an extention.
Be surprised if we have a handshake deal by August 1st and we still walk, I realize what he said but I’d be surprised. It would be the way to lose public support, which we now have, very rapidly.
 
Be surprised if we have a handshake deal by August 1st and we still walk, I realize what he said but I’d be surprised. It would be the way to lose public support, which we now have, very rapidly.
If we had a TA it would be at minimum a ULP and a violation of good faith. It would be a legal nightmare beyond any public perception issue.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Be surprised if we have a handshake deal by August 1st and we still walk, I realize what he said but I’d be surprised. It would be the way to lose public support, which we now have, very rapidly.
Both sides are playing the spin game to get public support instead of doing more to communicate to members about what is really happening.
 
Be surprised if we have a handshake deal by August 1st and we still walk, I realize what he said but I’d be surprised. It would be the way to lose public support, which we now have, very rapidly.
I think he got out over his skis a bit with that, and I'd presume his attorneys pulled him aside and told him not to say that again, which is why weve only heard it once. I'm guessing he got caught up in the moment.
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Be surprised if we have a handshake deal by August 1st and we still walk, I realize what he said but I’d be surprised. It would be the way to lose public support, which we now have, very rapidly.

I think he got out over his skis a bit with that, and I'd presume his attorneys pulled him aside and told him not to say that again, which is why weve only heard it once. I'm guessing he got caught up in the moment.

Is there any way possible O'Brien can agree to a TA and still get it out before 1 August 2023 ?

Can it be done similar to the recent strike vote, in person, in building, parking lot or Union Hall ?

The tentative still has to be voted on..Master, Supplements and Local Riders... members are expecting a lot of improvements considering what happen with the last two...

If there are no significant improvements in the IBT/UPS Pension Plan or the UPS Pension Plan for those under the Central and Southern expect a lot of "NO" votes...
 

DOK

Well-Known Member
Is there any way possible O'Brien can agree to a TA and still get it out before 1 August 2023 ?

Can it be done similar to the recent strike vote, in person, in building, parking lot or Union Hall ?

The tentative still has to be voted on..Master, Supplements and Local Riders... members are expecting a lot of improvements considering what happen with the last two...

If there are no significant improvements in the IBT/UPS Pension Plan or the UPS Pension Plan for those under the Central and Southern expect a lot of "NO" votes...
If the O’Brien has gotten everything he’s asked for there’s no reason to walk, it would be silly.
 

UPSER1987

Well-Known Member
The Company could just simply raise it to 25 bucks an hour..then start chasing these kids off the clock at 3.5 like they did in the 80’s.

But, that would mean creating more full time jobs and adding additional costs in pension and health and welfare contributions.
Sure hire more people to bitch and moan how working 3.5 hours is so hard and unfair. Sounds like a plan lol.
 
Is there any way possible O'Brien can agree to a TA and still get it out before 1 August 2023 ?

Can it be done similar to the recent strike vote, in person, in building, parking lot or Union Hall ?

The tentative still has to be voted on..Master, Supplements and Local Riders... members are expecting a lot of improvements considering what happen with the last two...

If there are no significant improvements in the IBT/UPS Pension Plan or the UPS Pension Plan for those under the Central and Southern expect a lot of "NO" votes...
Not by Aug 1, and I would guess the same voting method would be highly questionable and legally challenged by the company if the contract(s) were to be voted down by a narrow margin. The strike auth vote was such a haphazard way of getting it done, but everyone knows its going to be overwhelmingly approved so no one really cared.

If it's voted down, we're obligated to keep working while they find out what we don't like and as long as there are productive negotiations, otherwise SOB gives a 72-hour notice of intent and we go from there. They figure it out or we walk.
 
Our stewards are making the rounds asking members which picket line shift they want. I think it's finally starting to sink in for the newer guys.
Not long ago in a pcm I brought up the real possibility. Reminded everyone what I said 2 years ago about saving. I pointed out the guy who will probably be the top driver laid off after a strike, there were a lot of blank faces when I looked at the guys below him.
 

Non liberal

Well-Known Member
The Teamsters are a local and state level political power that drives turnout at the polls. They have large PACs that give to both Republican and Democrat candidates. They also give to individual candidates. They have lobbyists that help shape laws.

I don't think any branch of our government wants to be near a decision that goes against them for fear of political reprisals.

As far as public sympathy: why do you think O'Brien is leaning so hard into the pandemic hero imagery and talking about the guys behind the scenes that loaded the trucks? And the words poverty wages come out so much. You can't get sympathy for driver wages from the public--but part timers making less than $20 an hour some after having been with the company for 1 decade. Yeah, they can sell that. And the best part: it plays into the union's playbook of being able to organize Amazon by showing their part-timers what can be gained by unionizing.
Yeah, but the health of the economy trumps everything, and a strike would be very bad for the economy. Yes, Amazon is the main reason for all the focus on the PT, however I think he’s still going to have a hard time selling over $20 hr for the PT to the public when they have a full benefit pkg.(if that is the only reason for the strike, which very well could trigger a response from Biden) there’s just not a lot of PT anywhere getting full benefit pkg. That being said, we just have to vote down what we don’t want. We know how :censored2:ty it is to work there, and all have an idea what we are worth, and we just need to communicate that, stick together, and let the chips fall where they may. I’ve changed my tune a little bit on this subject just because it is the best way to get what everyone wants, and the most leverage we will have in quite some time probably.
 
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