Johney
Pineapple King
Unbelievable.
Richard Harrow
Deplorable.
Anyone else need further proof that these people are out of touch and live in their own little world?
moreluck
golden ticket member
The nuns had 40 or more kids in a class and there was not a sound.....they were good!!
Seven Issues at Stake in the Chicago Teachers' Strike | Fox Business
Seven Issues at Stake in the Chicago Teachers' Strike | Fox Business
PiedmontSteward
RTW-4-Less
That's a tiny news blurb from a single outlet. They could have been a block or two over.. sorry, not buying this until it's verified by more than one source.
TearsInRain
IE boogeyman
i never had to take any standardized testing in private school
i generally like the idea of public schooling over private schooling, but if public schooling in america means teacher unions and standardized testing, i say tear the whole damn thing apart and give it over to the free market
they blew whatever chance they had at doing something smart
brown_trousers
Well-Known Member
I have no sympathy at all for govt workers striking. if their wages are coming from taxpayers, it should be the tax payers who vote on those wages.
Johney
Pineapple King
I don't agree with their tactics. There is a time and place for protesting and striking,at a 9/11 memorial is not going to give them much positive reinforcements.
Richard Harrow
Deplorable.
Amen. I attended private school, and my children attend private school. My biggest beef with public schools is that I have a fundamental issue with paying to educate other peoples children.
BrownArmy
Well-Known Member
Oh, why not, here goes.
It's a fine and obviously preferable thing to quantify teacher effectiveness.
It's a whole 'nother kettle of fish to make those quantifications based on the measure of the reality these teachers are facing.
If you tie teacher effectiveness simply to standardized testing, that leaves out many parts of the equation, to name just a few:
Teachers are being 'quantified' based on overall testing that also includes learning-disabled children, ESL children, etc.
To just take the total measure of student test-scores is not a meaningfull number.
You may scoff about the 'poverty' argument that teachers are making vis-a-vis standardized testing scores, yet I find it perfectly rational. These teachers are being asked to make up the difference for so many other things which have nothing to do with education.
My wife works in the public school system in MA as a social worker...from your comments it's clear to me you simply have no realistic idea about the reality on the ground for teachers and students.
As well, one of the sticking points of the Chicago teacher's complaints is the push toward Charter schools, which, on balance, do just about the same as public schools (40% the same, 40% worse, 20% better).
Don't get me wrong, in the absence of an appropriate way to measure teacher effectiveness, I can see where folks would clamor about 'tightening down', etc. etc...(ahh, the somewhat Keystone Kops nature of Unions...I have no doubt that a bunch of teachers should likely be fired, and who would likely be fired without Union protection).
Yet, one of the striking-teachers' arguments (re: charter schools) is why in the world are you trying to railroad us out of our jobs to change the system to another, which, on balance, does about as good as we do?
(Unless it's about someone else getting paid, which is another conversation).
Hit me back, lulz.
bluehdmc
Well-Known Member
Nice word "average", looks great in a headline, are they using, mean, median, or ???
I had a friend was a teacher, the school district where she worked had the "highest salaries in the county", yeah the salary scale was, but there wasn't anyone making the 3 highest steps. They were there though.
And what's the cost of living where you are compared to the city of Chicago.
Again, that pay level was negotiated. There are two sides sitting at that table. Don't hate on the teacher because they were smarter than the average bear.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/opinion/01eggers.html
Educator salaries in New York | rocdocs
If you select Jefferson county and General Brown school, you will see a list of what every person in that district is paid. The teacher average appears to be about $58,000.
(I picked that school because I graduated from there)
I'm sure housing's a little cheaper than Chicago.
When I went to school the nuns could smack you on the knuckles with a ruler, (or worse). Today in public schools if they yell at little Johnny they're up on charges.
Educational Success for a student starts at home with the parents. Its a partnership with the teachers and MANY PARENTS EITHER DONT GIVE A CRAP OR WORKING 2 JOBS THEY CANNOT HANDLE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THEIR KIDS DOING THEIR HOMEWORK. IF THE PARENTS DONT DO THEIR JOB AT HOME WITH THEIR KIDS WHY SHOULD A TEACHER BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT?
That ends the discussion of standardized testing and teacher accountability. MANY SCHOOLS ARE JUST A DAYCARE CENTER.
Many of the middle and High schools are run and feel like a prison because many of these kids age 12 to 18 are just plain nasty. Hate to say it but I have been in many lower income public schools and the kids in 2012 are out of control. These teachers have a tough job.
Teachers and UPS drivers are not overpaid. Both earn every penny. I know alot of teachers and they work hard. YOU DONT BECOME A TEACHER TO GET RICH.
76k is nothing in Chicago.
That ends the discussion of standardized testing and teacher accountability. MANY SCHOOLS ARE JUST A DAYCARE CENTER.
Many of the middle and High schools are run and feel like a prison because many of these kids age 12 to 18 are just plain nasty. Hate to say it but I have been in many lower income public schools and the kids in 2012 are out of control. These teachers have a tough job.
Teachers and UPS drivers are not overpaid. Both earn every penny. I know alot of teachers and they work hard. YOU DONT BECOME A TEACHER TO GET RICH.
76k is nothing in Chicago.
moreluck
golden ticket member
"When I went to school the nuns could smack you on the knuckles with a ruler, (or worse). Today in public schools if they yell at little Johnny they're up on charges. " (blue)
That's part of the problem and seeing that everybody gets a gold star or trophy is not teaching kids about real life. ...also, wear a damn belt or go home to mom and you can explain why you are not in school!!!
Warm & fuzzy is the feelng today and kids grow up feelng entitled to everything without working for it.
That's part of the problem and seeing that everybody gets a gold star or trophy is not teaching kids about real life. ...also, wear a damn belt or go home to mom and you can explain why you are not in school!!!
Warm & fuzzy is the feelng today and kids grow up feelng entitled to everything without working for it.
menotyou
bella amicizia
Not to mention, there are a lot of people pumping kids out, but they don't parent. Watching Judge Judy yesterday, a lovely young lady(not) was on being sued by her ex booty call. In it, it came out that she had an argument with the ex on front of her kid about whether or not he was hittin' another chicky down the block. Nice conversation at the breakfast table. These kids go to school starving for attention and structure. The teachers are overwhelmed.
This hits close to home for me, as I see a little of it in my own grands.
brown_trousers
Well-Known Member
You missed the most important question:
What do the tax-payers want THEIR money spent on?
this is a simple issue that should be resolved in Chicago voting booths, not resolved by anyone elses decision
BrownArmy
Well-Known Member
Says the UNION feeder driver....
On principle, you should quit your job and work for another (non-Union) carrier...
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