Obamas Preacher vs. Bushes Preacher??

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Hey Liar,


Thanks for reposting what you said I was beginning to think you were going to try and claim once again that you never said it.


"If you would like to open that pandoras box, I would be glad to oblige you.

In fact, as case in point, just within the last couple of weeks, trials for a sniper team have concluded with convictions and sentencing of 10 years each for a multitude of charges stemming from the murders of innocent iraqi citizens.

The sniper teams were "ordered" to lay down bomb making materials on roads while the snipers "sat in wait" and shot dead anyone picking up the materials. The dead persons were then photographed and then reported to the US military as "terrorists killed". In all cases, all killed persons were innocent civilians just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The case is deep, and to date, only sgt levels and down have been convicted, and the superiors involved were simply reassigned and removed from the theatre.

Dont expect any medals to be handed out here.

I am an anti-IRAQ war protester. I invest heavily in researching facts and data.

You ask, i will provide,"



I took the liberty of putting your lies in bold. I only call them lies because you invest so heavily in researching facts and data. Otherwise I would just think you were lazy.

Lie number one. Convictions and sentencing of ten years each for the murders of innocent Iraqi citizens.

The article you posted was of one Soldier. He killed one detainee with his side arm. He claimed that the detainee was making noise to alert others of their position. You have failed to post any proof of convictions(more than one) and sentencing of ten years each(more than one) for murders(more than one). Is this because you were caught in another fib?


Lie number two was only sgt.'s level and down have been convicted. In the first article you posted a SSG was convicted of laying det cord on a dead body. How would you bait someone who is already dead? A long ways from your baiting story. He was given five months in prison. Another SSG was convicted of striking the investigating officer and was given one year in prison.

Lie number three you invest heavily in facts and data. I think this lie speaks for itself.

Oh by the way thanks for posting all those articles that prove that you lied. You did this same thing before when you lied about the Republican Guard not having any fuel or ammo with an article you posted.

So you lied about the Republican Guard not having fuel or ammo, you lied about snipers getting ten years each for baiting targets, you lied about the Marines of Kilo company going on a Rampage, you lied about everyone in the military in Iraq committing war crimes. Do you see the pattern I sure do.

Are you starting to catch on? You have noticed the pattern of mischaracterizing facts and outright lies? LOL! These things, along with their America hating rhetoric, is how they operate. Like I said in my previous post above.....when are they going to be that deviant towards our enemies?

 

[av8torntn]

Are you starting to catch on? You have noticed the pattern of mischaracterizing facts and outright lies? LOL! These things, along with their America hating rhetoric, is how they operate. Like I said in my previous post above.....when are they going to be that deviant towards our enemies?

Oh shucks I fell for the investment in facts and data.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Oh shucks I fell for the investment in facts and data.

That's all you need brother. What separates us from them us that we don't misinterpret the facts and splice them with opinions and pawn the information off as 100% accurate information.

 

[brett636]

That's all you need brother. What separates us from them us that we don't misinterpret the facts and splice them with opinions and pawn the information off as 100% accurate information.

Thats so true.

BS- I see now why you chose that handle. Based on the misinformation you post its obvious your all about the bull.

av8tornt- I would give you some more positive rep, but it isn't allowing me to do so. Thanks for injecting truth among these lies spewed by brown shark.

 

[av8torntn]

Hey BS

I see that you have been busy linking to stories to prove you false claims that Army sniper teams baited targets then after killing Iraqi civilians were convicted of murder and all received 10 year sentences.

Let's see what your articles say.


"US Army Staff Sgt. Michael Hensley [JURIST news archive] was acquitted [AP report] at court-martial late last week of premeditated murder charges related to the separate deaths of three Iraqi civilians in April and May this year in the vicinity of Iskandariyah "

"A military panel Friday found US Army Spc. Jorge G. Sandoval not guilty of murder in the shooting deaths of three unarmed Iraqis "


"US Army Spc. Jorge G. Sandoval pleaded not guilty at his court-martial in Iraq Wednesday to charges that he and two other soldiers killed three unarmed Iraqis and then placed weapons next to the bodies."

"A military jury found the soldier, Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley, 27, of the First Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, Fourth Brigade (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, not guilty of murder in the three killings on separate occasions in April and May near Iskandariya. "

“Every last man we killed was a confirmed terrorist. "


"Last month, a military jury found one of the other team members, Specialist Jorge G. Sandoval, not guilty of killing two men, on April 27 and May 11"



Thanks for posting more proof that you lied.


Normally I would expect someone like you to say the fix was in or justice was not served but I remember you posted an article that said this.


"After the verdict, Mustafa, who had testified at the court-martial, said he was impressed with the U.S. military court system. "I find the Americans have more fairness than the Arabs," he said. "Their system is so fair that even if the judge were (Vela's) family member, he would have been convicted."

 

[diesel96]

Holy cow... are you really serious? Please tell me you are not saying WE are the bad guys.

First off... the Republican party is not MY party. I am not beholden to "R" or "D". I think on my own. I DO listen to what our enemies are saying. Their hatred in us is not recent. They have always looked at ANYONE who does not believe in their version of Islam as the enemy and should be destroyed. Look at the history. It was around LONG before the US ever came about. It's not just chritianity with them. They do not accept anything but their version of right. Here in America you may get hassled about your beliefs, but you are not murdered in the name of God or any other belief you hold. We have that freedom.

You can make America out to be the bad guys here, but I for one will stand up and call US the good guys, faults and all.

It's too bad you are incapable of understanding and disreguard the REAL facts why we were attacked. Once again, not because of the "western way of life" as you posted. I don't care what party you belong to or how you think, but when you post falsehoods on this site and get called out on it, don't change the subject or misinterpet with a feeble attempt of good guys vs bad guys routine. This obsession with claiming to be more patriotic is not only laughable but a joke.

 

[diesel96]

What is it about appeasement that is so appealing to your kind? What makes you so naively believe that if they succeed in destroying Israel they will just stop there and dance in the streets for eternity? Let me tell you a little secret that your small leftist mind keeps you from understanding. These people like Hamas, and other military style muslim groups hate you, me, blacks, whites, Christians, non Christians, athiests, agnostics, Americans, and all non muslims. Do you really believe all that hate will go away if we simply walk away from Israel and let them have their way? Hell no it won't.

Last I checked we are the world's only superpower, and we can support, or not support, anyone that we damn well feel like. We can support a culture and a country that doesn't strap bombs to retarded women and send them out to the busy markets to blow up. We don't have to support a civilization that uses women and children as shields, and believe they have a divine order to kill anyone who doesn't believe as them. In fact we have a responsibility to support countries that are like us and fight these kind of practices.

YouTube - A Time For Choosing

Hey Brett, let me ask you something, do you take off your clown make up before you hover over your computer?
Your little child like small minded insults have no correlation to the REAL reason why we were attacked. This has nothing to do about appeasemnet, retarded women, or divine order. You claim to be righteous on every issue with (bogus) FACTS, yet have an uncanny inability to ignore and dismiss truths whenever presented to you in a forum debate.
BTW....Your little Reagon You Tube speech ( a time for a choosing) might get you fired up, but in reality he cut ran after the marine barracks got blown up. Why ? Cause he figure out these people all friggin radical nuts with us on THEIR Holy Land. You think because were a superpower we can throw our wieght around anywhere in the world without consequence ?
With superiorty comes responsibility Mr.No It All.
Oh..and one more BTW.....You say we can't support a culture and country that's strapping bombs to their women and children .
Oh wait a minute....we are! In the form of 350/400 million a day. Great strategy

 

[diesel96]

I seem to remember Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, as well as other Muslim countries, asking us to go over their in 1990. Hmmm...yeah...they don't want us there right? LOL! And what's wrong with supporting Israel? They have every right to exist and I respect them for putting up with so much BS over there even though they have every right to open up a can of whoop ass on the surrounding countries. Oh by the way....do you know why they haven't gone off like that yet? Do you know what country constantly steps in and convinces them to show restraint? That would be the United States of America.

Yeah, BigA but guess what, we never left. We set up bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Meanwhile Isreal felt it was okey dokey to expand their terrortories and kick out Palestinians with our blessing.

 

[tourists24]

a feeble attempt of good guys vs bad guys routine. This obsession with claiming to be more patriotic is not only laughable but a joke.

claiming to be more patriotic is laughable? there is no doubt in my mind.

Look, I know we will never agree on stuff like this but let me ask you a question (as well as brownshark or anyone who feels the way you two do). Please dont get the idea that I am trying to attack you with this question because I am not. I am genuinely trying to understand where you are coming from. Question is: IF AMERICA IS SUCH A HORRIBLE PLACE, THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? If I truly despised this place, then I surely would not want to raise my children in such a vile environment.


I know this is an old question and I feel your eyes rolling but I mean it. This is what I dont understand. If we are so bad then why not go somewhere that you feel proud to say "this is a good place to be". I acknowledge that America isnt perfect, and in history/present we have done/do things that arent right, but we ARE the greatest place on earth to live and we do many things that are right on target. Where you consume yourself with pointing out every little fault, I tend to look for the good even in a bad situation.

You know on a much smaller scale it's kind of like working for UPS. I am proud to say I work for UPS and gladly let people know it. Having said that, look at all the crap we have to put up with. Geez just look at all the posts where we all vent our frustrations at all the wrongdoings that go on. So many things this company does gives us reason to hate them, but you know what; with all of their faults they are still an awesome company to work for. They give us good wages and benefits to help take care of our families, not to mention all of the extra things they do with their community involvement all over the country. Weekends off, vacation,,, the list goes on and on

So before you answer the above question, dont think Im trying to attack you, Im just trying to understand.

 

[diesel96]

claiming to be more patriotic is laughable? there is no doubt in my mind.

Look, I know we will never agree on stuff like this but let me ask you a question (as well as brownshark or anyone who feels the way you two do). Please dont get the idea that I am trying to attack you with this question because I am not. I am genuinely trying to understand where you are coming from. Question is: IF AMERICA IS SUCH A HORRIBLE PLACE, THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? If I truly despised this place, then I surely would not want to raise my children in such a vile environment.


I know this is an old question and I feel your eyes rolling but I mean it. This is what I dont understand. If we are so bad then why not go somewhere that you feel proud to say "this is a good place to be". I acknowledge that America isnt perfect, and in history/present we have done/do things that arent right, but we ARE the greatest place on earth to live and we do many things that are right on target. Where you consume yourself with pointing out every little fault, I tend to look for the good even in a bad situation.

You know on a much smaller scale it's kind of like working for UPS. I am proud to say I work for UPS and gladly let people know it. Having said that, look at all the crap we have to put up with. Geez just look at all the posts where we all vent our frustrations at all the wrongdoings that go on. So many things this company does gives us reason to hate them, but you know what; with all of their faults they are still an awesome company to work for. They give us good wages and benefits to help take care of our families, not to mention all of the extra things they do with their community involvement all over the country. Weekends off, vacation,,, the list goes on and on

So before you answer the above question, dont think Im trying to attack you, Im just trying to understand.

Since our founding fathers, the ideal of patriotism and love of country stems from questioning and rebelling of authority via majority rule for the betterment of society, in this case the ruling government. Having said that and successfully breaking away from suppressive English rule the drafting of a remarkable document called the constitution, we now to this day nominate, vote, employ and entrust our Gov't leaders to represent the American people to act accordingly and follow the constitution. When this trust is broken, as the founding fathers would have to this day raised red flags and vehimently protested the mis-represented actions taken by a rogue leading Gov't. Some, such as Big Arrow, Brett636, Av8 and yourself may view this as treason, treacherous, unpatriotic, anti-military, anti-American, others realize this is true patriotism and love for this country to get back on the right track of unity and democracy. So for you to question or misinterpet someone's loyalty because they suggest all Americans, Politicians and pundents to stop, look ourselves in the mirror, accept our faults and reflect on self examination and what America can do better to improve our position as a whole and in the world, not to mention leave a positive and a debt free legacy to our children and grand-children. This farce of not supporting Bush's foreign and economic policies gives the Right Wing Conservative claim of being more patriotic, more country lovin, and more troop lovin individuals is very offensive and an out right lie. If you can't look in the mirror and criticize yourself to become a better person, you'll never reach the goals you wish to achieve.

 

[tourists24]

When this trust is broken, as the founding fathers would have to this day raised red flags and vehimently protested the mis-represented actions taken by a rogue leading Gov't. Some, such as Big Arrow, Brett636, Av8 and yourself may view this as treason, treacherous, unpatriotic, anti-military, anti-American, others realize this is true patriotism and love for this country to get back on the right track of unity and democracy. So for you to question or misinterpet someone's loyalty because they suggest all Americans, Politicians and pundents to stop, look ourselves in the mirror, accept our faults and reflect on self examination and what America can do better to improve our position as a whole and in the world, not to mention leave a positive and a debt free legacy to our children and grand-children. This farce of not supporting Bush's foreign and economic policies gives the Right Wing Conservative claim of being more patriotic, more country lovin, and more troop lovin individuals is very offensive and an out right lie. If you can't look in the mirror and criticize yourself to become a better person, you'll never reach the goals you wish to achieve.

You seem to be more concerned that I am questioning your patriotism than actually answering the question. Look at the real definition of "patriotism". With just a few I looked up were something like this: Love and loyalty or zealous support for one's country..... love or devotion to ones country.... When you love your country and are proud of it....

I dont know how patriotic you truly are, but it seems that you are devoting all of your time and efforts on nothing but how bad we are, and no one is seeing a love of country. You say that your way is true patriotism, but Im not hearing or seeing any love, loyalty, or support. It appears that you are simply hell bent on showing how rogue George Bush is. Believe me, I get the point that you think Bush is perverting our country as we know it, but in just a matter of months he is gone, so hang on for just a little longer.

Again I ask you the same question as before, and will add another one: Do you think we are the greatest country in the world? If not, who is?

 

[av8torntn]

You seem to be more concerned that I am questioning your patriotism than actually answering the question. Look at the real definition of "patriotism". With just a few I looked up were something like this: Love and loyalty or zealous support for one's country..... love or devotion to ones country.... When you love your country and are proud of it....

 

[brett636]

Hey Brett, let me ask you something, do you take off your clown make up before you hover over your computer?
Your little child like small minded insults have no correlation to the REAL reason why we were attacked. This has nothing to do about appeasemnet, retarded women, or divine order. You claim to be righteous on every issue with (bogus) FACTS, yet have an uncanny inability to ignore and dismiss truths whenever presented to you in a forum debate.

Oh my, I must have struck a nerve. You are correct that I don't ignore or dismiss truths. That would be why I post them everytime I reply to one of your nonsense responses. When you are ready to post some truths of your own I will be glad to debate them with you. I have simply corrected where you are wrong.

BTW....Your little Reagon You Tube speech ( a time for a choosing) might get you fired up, but in reality he cut ran after the marine barracks got blown up. Why ? Cause he figure out these people all friggin radical nuts with us on THEIR Holy Land.

If he knew what these people were going to do on our soil I doubt he would have done so. They brought the fight to our soil, and now we are eliminating them on theirs.

You think because were a superpower we can throw our wieght around anywhere in the world without consequence ?

I think some misfits with turbins and a few AK47s should think twice before engaging us on our own land. We weren't actively pursuing them until they decided to kill some 3,000 Americans here. Although in hindsight we probably should have been.

With superiorty comes responsibility Mr.No It All.

Exactly, we have the responsibility to erradicate those that wish to do us harm, and support countries that believe in civility like Israel.

Oh..and one more BTW.....You say we can't support a culture and country that's strapping bombs to their women and children .
Oh wait a minute....we are! In the form of 350/400 million a day. Great strategy

350-400 million what? Do you have any proof to support your claim? Based on your previous replies I am guessing you don't, but I want to see your so called "truth".

 

[Jones]

With just a few I looked up were something like this: Love and loyalty or zealous support for one's country..... love or devotion to ones country.... When you love your country and are proud of it....

I notice that all those definitions refer to "country", not "government" or "current administration" or "the president". All those terms are not synonymous. You can disagree (strongly even) with a lot of things that your current government is doing and still love your country.
All the latest polls show that a majority of the american people think the Iraq war was a mistake, that President Bush is doing a terrible job, and that the country is on the wrong track. I would be willing to bet that most of those people still love their country.

I dont know how patriotic you truly are, but it seems that you are devoting all of your time and efforts on nothing but how bad we are, and no one is seeing a love of country. You say that your way is true patriotism, but Im not hearing or seeing any love, loyalty, or support. It appears that you are simply hell bent on showing how rogueGeorge Bush is. Believe me, I get the point that you think Bush is perverting our country as we know it, but in just a matter of months he is gone, so hang on for just a little longer.

In reading the above, I get the impression that you think supporting George Bush is the same as supporting your country (correct me if I'm wrong).

Question is: IF AMERICA IS SUCH A HORRIBLE PLACE, THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

Where has anybody said this? I don't agree with everything D says, but I've never heard him or anybody else on this board say that America is a horrible place.

Again I ask you the same question as before, and will add another one: Do you think we are the greatest country in the world? If not, who is?

I think America is the greatest country to live in for most Americans simply because we were born here and it's "our" country. Most of the people in living in the western democracies feel the same way about their countries for the same reason. I don't think it's really possible to be objective about a question like that, because for most people, their country is the only one they've ever lived in. I like it here, I'm not going anywhere

 

[tourists24]

I notice that all those definitions refer to "country", not "government" or "current administration" or "the president". All those terms are not synonymous. You can disagree (strongly even) with a lot of things that your current government is doing and still love your country.

They are synonymous in some very important respects. You may not like our government, but it is still part of our country (and what most other countries see). Disagreement with them is one thing, but when all you do is bash it, then it at least gives the appearance of hating America.

In reading the above, I get the impression that you think supporting George Bush is the same as supporting your country (correct me if I'm wrong).

Oh absolutely wrong. Im no fan of Bush either. I voice my displeasure, but I dont spend my entire involvement of political life seeking out ways to show the world how bad he/we are.

Where has anybody said this? I don't agree with everything D says, but I've never heard him or anybody else on this board say that America is a horrible place.

Maybe not, but all that he says is full of how bad we are.

I think America is the greatest country to live in for most Americans simply because we were born here and it's "our" country.

Not sure if I agree with this reason, but at least you say that you think America is the greatest country. That's all I was really wanting to hear (and for them to really mean it) from the others

 

[Jones]

They are synonymous in some very important respects. You may not like our government, but it is still part of our country (and what most other countries see). Disagreement with them is one thing, but when all you do is bash it, then it at least gives the appearance of hating America.

See, this is what annoys me about that argument, even though I really try and stay away from the whole liberal/neocon stereotyping in general because I think it's a waste of time, is you only seem to hear it from the right.
I remember listening to Gordon Liddy, Rush Limbaugh, etc during the 8 years of the Clinton presidency, and all you heard from those guys 24/7 was vitriol about Clinton in particular and government in general (some it well deserved, btw). Heck, they made Brownshark sound like a choirboy in comparison . The NRA at that time was in the habit of publicly referring to federal agents as "jackbooted thugs". I always understood that they just hated Clinton, and it never occurred to me to accuse them of being America haters because of it.

Oh absolutely wrong. Im no fan of Bush either. I voice my displeasure, but I dont spend my entire involvement of political life seeking out ways to show the world how bad he/we are.

Point taken. For myself, I always try and keep in mind that I actually know as little about the other posters here as they as they know about me (and believe me, that ain't much). We talk about a very narrow range of topics in here and I wouldn't presume to know what the entirety of their political lives revolve around.

Not sure if I agree with this reason, but at least you say that you think America is the greatest country. That's all I was really wanting to hear (and for them to really mean it) from the others

Well, I didn't actually say that . I think America is a great country, but I also know that I'm biased because it's my country. I'm honestly not sure how you would quantify "greatest country in the world".

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

So, this is the part where all of you America hating Liberals start going on and on about how you "are against the government but not America" or "for the troops but against the war"...well....that last one has to be wrong because Liberals seem to make a habit of demonizing our military so let's just forget I mentioned that one. Look....this is all about power and if you must misinterpret information, twist the facts, and outright lie to make our country look bad in order to justify your warped views then maybe you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you even continue to live here. Who's side are you on? How could the Liberal way of doing things actually make us safer?

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

And another thing.....I'm still curious as to why anyone who puts so much time and effort into slandering their own military and government would be so shocked that they are accused of being America hating extremists? What else are we supposed to think?

 

[Jones]

So, this is the part where all of you America hating Liberals start going on and on about how you "are against the government but not America"

I'm still curious as to why anyone who puts so much time and effort into slandering their own military and government would be so shocked that they are accused of being America hating extremists?

So, using your deductive reasoning that anyone who badmouths the government hates America, you would agree that Rush, Liddy, et al of the Clinton era were "America hating conservatives"?

What else are we supposed to think?

Who's "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

 

[BrownShark]

Tourist,

you posted:

Look, I know we will never agree on stuff like this but let me ask you a question (as well as brownshark or anyone who feels the way you two do). Please dont get the idea that I am trying to attack you with this question because I am not. I am genuinely trying to understand where you are coming from. Question is: IF AMERICA IS SUCH A HORRIBLE PLACE, THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? If I truly despised this place, then I surely would not want to raise my children in such a vile environment.

These are exactly the talking points of Rush Limbaugh everyday that he is on the radio. Its called the "STRAWMAN" defense.

Pres Bush uses the same tactics all the time.. The old, "if your not with us your against us" routine.

Listen, this is the United States of America. By saying that, I employ the most powerful document in the history of the world.

The Constitution.

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION that sez I must agree with all the president of the United States sez or does.

Indeed, what makes this country great is in fact DISSENTION.

Otherwise, we would not have a democracy but a dictatorship.

Many of our founding fathers had this debate many years ago for those people who believe they must follow the actions of the president like a fresh born puppy oblivious to the world.

Thomas Jefferson said:

Dissention if the purest form of Democracy~Thomas Jefferson.

Teddy Roosevelt said:
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." [/FONT]
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If only you Rush listeners would understand the hyperbole you are sold each and every day, you would be able to distinquish between patriotism and loyalty.

The strawman defense is a simple trick that "forces" you to take the side of the speaker because the alternative leaves you in a bad position.

There is no option given that can satisfy a desending opinon.

Therefore, the arguement is won based on the lack of reasonable difference. People need to learn the tactics of the right winged media and the use of the strawman on the american people.

For me, this is a great country, and I think the mere asking of the question is silly. Rush uses this same question every day on his radio program.

Power corrupts, but absolute power absolutely corrupts the people in charge.

Attacking a fellow citizens patriotism is no different than the germans attacking fellow germans who helped the jews escape germany.

The soldiers in Iraq arent fighting to protect the constitution, it was never attacked by Iraq or threatened. No iraqi with a turban (as quoted) is considering coming to america and kiling anyone.

My free speech is protected by LAW and LAW only.

The founding fathers gave me this right, and NO SOLDIER can take it away.

My opinion is protected speech, as well as everyone else on this blog.

I am sick of hearing about soldiers fighting in iraq to protect my free speech, however, my speech isnt under attack from terrorists, it under attack by republicans.

The only thing defending my right to free speech is called the LAW of the land.

Its time to respect this right.

I respect everyones opinion on this blog, and I debate all comers.

This is the problem with america today. The republicans have divided this country into two parts.

They continue to drive the wedge between the parties in order to try and maintain power. RUSH himself declares that there needs to be PARTISANSHIP in politics and he disagrees with BI-PARTISAN cooperation.

Why do you think this is???

Its so those who are the most gulible of americans continue to believe the message of "those people", "you people" which is the true Elitest mentality.

Rush uses the terms: you people, those people all day long over and over, and yet, posters here use the same terms on this blog without knowing they have been brainwashed.

The terms YOU PEOPLE and THOSE PEOPLE are separation terms intending on insuring subconcious distintions. Then, those who are listeners will separate themselves from those who are on the opposite side of the strawman.

Its all brainwashing folks.

Try loving your country and accepting the good and the bad.

Praise the good and call out the Bad.

This is the American way.

Peace



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