Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[Ou812fu]

Fixing the grid is super easy. You already know that.

So your objection is that Texas Republicans and California Democrats suck at that.

What does that have to do with me?

You keep saying things without any proof.

 

[wilberforce15]

I just realized I had screwed up. BUT the premises is the same --EV's are junk when it comes to towing

But Tesla would more than double that, and that means the needs of just about everyone in the half ton market.

Most halftons live their whole lives without doing anything like that test.

If you tow, you dont have a half ton anyway

 

[wilberforce15]

The desperation here reeks.

 

[wilberforce15]

If you're pulling a small bass boat to a lake, running a landscaping company, or delivering auto parts and helping people move, the cybertruck is way, way more capable than you will ever need. That's a normal truck life.

 

[rod]

But Tesla would more than double that, and that means the needs of just about everyone in the half ton market.

Most halftons live their whole lives without doing anything like that test.

If you tow, you dont have a half ton anyway

I towed my 21 foot toyhauler all over the west (lots of mountain roads) with my half ton Silverado. I admit my 3/4 ton does it better but the half ton did it for like 5 years. All over the west and down south and east. Thousands of miles.

 

[wilberforce15]

I towed my 21 foot toyhauler all over the west (lots of mountain roads) with my half ton Silverado. I admit my 3/4 ton does it better but the half ton did it for like 5 years. All over the west and down south and east. Thousands of miles.

Congratulations. Do you know what most means?

 

[Ou812fu]

I just realized I had screwed up. BUT the premises is the same --EV's are junk when it comes to towing

Wilbur will never watch that video and believe it.

 

[wilberforce15]

Wilbur will never watch that video and believe it.

I already know everything in it. I live in reality. It's basically an ad for Tesla. EV range gets killed by towing and hills. Basic physics.

 

[rod]

The 2028 Tesla truck.

 

[vantexan]

But Tesla would more than double that, and that means the needs of just about everyone in the half ton market.

Most halftons live their whole lives without doing anything like that test.

If you tow, you dont have a half ton anyway

Say what? People tow with half tons all the time.

 

[rod]

Say what? People tow with half tons all the time.

I bet over 3/4 of the fishing boats and pontoons that come through town (and that is almost bumper to bumper pickups on weekends coming up from Minneapolis and Iowa) are half tons.

 

[wilberforce15]

I bet over 3/4 of the fishing boats and pontoons that come through town (and that is almost bumper to bumper pickups on weekends coming up from Minneapolis and Iowa) are half tons.

And the cybertruck would do that just fine, with little travel time difference.
Go ahead. List the cities. I'll take biased numbers against the cybertruck. And then list the stops. Go ahead.

 

[wilberforce15]

Say what? People tow with half tons all the time.

They don't do heavy towing.
Towing a bass boat for 100 miles or 200 miles is just fine and the cybertruck wouldn't even blink at it. That's not the towing we're talking about. Go play with your legos again.

 

[rod]

And the cybertruck would do that just fine, with little travel time difference.
Go ahead. List the cities. I'll take biased numbers against the cybertruck. And then list the stops. Go ahead.

We will just have to agree to disagree. on the subject of EV's. I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong. You're young-you will wise up later.

 

[wilberforce15]

We will just have to agree to disagree. on the subject of EV's. I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong. You're young-you will wise up later.

It's not a question for debate. I've done long trips in an EV 500-1k miles in a day. Repeatedly. The stops are known. The range hit is known for a given weight of towing. The specs on the vehicles are known.
The cybertruck isn't going to crap out at 85 miles pulling a bass boat.

It's not a ford.

 

[rod]

It's not a question for debate. I've done long trips in an EV 500-1k miles in a day. Repeatedly. The stops are known. The range hit is known for a given weight of towing. The specs on the vehicles are known.
The cybertruck isn't going to crap out at 85 miles pulling a bass boat.

It's not a ford.

I already admitted I screwed that up. Give it a rest.

 

[wilberforce15]

I already admitted I screwed that up. Give it a rest.

I'm not referencing that. I'm saying you misunderstand the vehicle and the charging network. The cybertruck will not give a meaningfully different travel time difference on a trip of any length when pulling a bass boat. It's objectively wrong to say that it will give a meaningfully different travel time over an average day trip.

 

[wilberforce15]

An example: Let's take a really long way to pull a bass boat for no reason. 500 miles. Let's also pretend the cybertruck is stupidly hampered by such a light tow and it has to charge twice. Each charge is 30 minutes or so.

So you have 75 minutes of stops on a 500 mile trip. That includes getting of and on the interstate, parking, a little diarrhea, etc.. All the chargers have bathrooms and food. So those are the only stops.

What's your number and time of stops for a 500 mile trip anyway in a gas truck? 10 minutes if you have an iron bladder? Maybe 30 minutes?

Total stop time is 75 minutes with the cybertruck, AT WORST. And this is biased against it. Total stop time in a gas truck is 30 minutes, at best.

So, with all the other advantages (suspension, compressor, ground clearance, horsepower, speed, torque, and payload) you might sacrifice 30-45 minutes extra on a super-long day trip a few times a year?

It's a very silly thing to care about. The numbers don't work as an objection. It's a made-up argument.

 

[Ou812fu]

It's not a question for debate. I've done long trips in an EV 500-1k miles in a day. Repeatedly. The stops are known. The range hit is known for a given weight of towing. The specs on the vehicles are known.
The cybertruck isn't going to crap out at 85 miles pulling a bass boat.

It's not a ford.

You're completely illogical..

 

[wilberforce15]

You're completely illogical..

And you're too short for this ride.