Holy cow. Severe cold reduces range by a lot, yes.That's what you say but do you have proof? Already known that severe cold greatly reduces range.
If I have 6 gallons of gas in a Prius that'll run the climate control, lights, radio for 2 days easily. And I don't have to worry about a dead battery. Can always walk somewhere to get more gas.Nothing has to perform as well as the expensive one.
All EV's will keep you alive as long or longer than the gas cars. Heat pumps just add efficiency to an already good system.
For a while, no EV's had them at all. It's a simple matter of measuring energy. This is trivial and silly.
better at what?I'm thinking, outside of the much respected toe to toe sparing, that there is not enough data available to claim EV's are goodder/betterer/worstererer than the petroleum based vehicle.
It seems that all the data, so far, is emotion based cherry picking?
Congratulations. Nobody cares and it's irrelevant.If I have 6 gallons of gas in a Prius that'll run the climate control, lights, radio for 2 days easily. And I don't have to worry about a dead battery. Can always walk somewhere to get more gas.
If it's range is 400 miles and severe cold greatly reduces range then how can it run hundreds of miles in severe cold? And not talking about the best performing Tesla. Talking about the most affordable one. Model S that doesn't have a heat pump.Holy cow. Severe cold reduces range by a lot, yes.
You want proof that heating a car takes less energy than going down the highway for hundreds of miles, which it can do in the extreme cold?
This is so easy it's embarrassing.
You're asking me whether a million is greater than 2+2.
It can drive a car for hundreds of miles in the extreme cold. It can keep a cabin warm for days. This is how energy works.
All EV's can keep the cabin warm at 2-3% battery consumption per hour in the most extreme cold. This is not hard. It's math. it's not even close. You are embarrassing yourself. However affordable you want.If it's range is 400 miles and severe cold greatly reduces range then how can it run hundreds of miles in severe cold? And not talking about the best performing Tesla. Talking about the most affordable one. Model S that doesn't have a heat pump.
You haven't read anything. You know nothing of range, capacity, or conditions, or the technology that makes the heat or anything else. Why do I have the burden of educating you?If it's range is 400 miles and severe cold greatly reduces range then how can it run hundreds of miles in severe cold? And not talking about the best performing Tesla. Talking about the most affordable one. Model S that doesn't have a heat pump.
Yah, the car was driven 250 miles in severe cold when a pileup on the interstate stranded thousands of cars in -10° for days. I like my chances better in the Prius that started the trip with a full tank and is getting 50+ mpg on the highway.All EV's can keep the cabin warm at 2-3% battery consumption per hour in the most extreme cold. This is not hard. It's math. it's not even close. You are embarrassing yourself. However affordable you want.
Good grief.
It is a huge issue, and will keep you from doing long trips at all when more people get evs. If you want to keep the status quo as far as total ownership and not grow the ev industry, then the way it is now is fine. Battery swapping can be done, you just need big enough infrastructure. They recharge the dead batteries that come in. It’s doable, and very lucrative if it catches on. It actually needs to catch on if anyone wants the ev industry to grow. They would need to get charging down to under 10minutes at least, and not harm the battery in the process, which is pretty much impossible. Battery swapping is the future, or the ev industry has no future.That will never be possible here, because the distances are too great. The economics from the manufacturerer's standpoint only work with high volume, regular swaps from customers. That battery swapping station has to keep an absurd number of batteries on hand. It's a total waste when production is battery-constrained (meaning the number of EV's produced is limited by the number of batteries we can produce).
On a cross-country trip, that's the only time it could ever make sense for me, and it would save an insignificant amount of time. Meanwhile, nobody is going to build that infrastructure here because it doesn't stand a chance of making money. It isn't going to exist.
And I've done long trips in EV's (500-1000 mi/day as a solo driver), and the time refueling is just not a big issue.
I just read that the Model S has a range of 405 miles.You haven't read anything. You know nothing of range, capacity, or conditions, or the technology that makes the heat or anything else. Why do I have the burden of educating you?
I'm stopping.
Is he actually arguing his battery is going to run a heater longer then your battery that has a generator? Lol.If I have 6 gallons of gas in a Prius that'll run the climate control, lights, radio for 2 days easily. And I don't have to worry about a dead battery. Can always walk somewhere to get more gas.
Yes, and it can drive hundreds of miles in whatever cold you want. You'll still get 200 miles in the Arctic.I just read that the Model S has a range of 405 miles.
Other people don’t have the money you have Bernie jr!Well, I've explained it. I can't force simple answers into your mind if you are immune to it. You are intent on misunderstanding.
You are so phenomenally ignorant. You can do road trips right now, of whatever length you want, with the total time barely affected by using an EV in most places. Battery swap infrastructure cannot and does not work, and a trillion-dollar company has specifically chosen not to do it. It's utterly unnecessary, and it would hamper development and deployment of EV's.It is a huge issue, and will keep you from doing long trips at all when more people get evs. If you want to keep the status quo as far as total ownership and not grow the ev industry, then the way it is now is fine. Battery swapping can be done, you just need big enough infrastructure. They recharge the dead batteries that come in. It’s doable, and very lucrative if it catches on. It actually needs to catch on if anyone wants the ev industry to grow. They would need to get charging down to under 10minutes at least, and not harm the battery in the process, which is pretty much impossible. Battery swapping is the future, or the ev industry has no future.
Only if you're a maroon. The question is about danger in a snowstorm and how long an EV would last. It's a stupid question. It will last for days. That closes the matter.Is he actually arguing his battery is going to run a heater longer then your battery that has a generator? Lol.
I've been lurking in this thread for a while now because I know I have a lot to learn before I can lean one way or another regarding EV/fossil fuel.better at what?
You can call whatever you want, but you haven't been reading. I'm the only one who has provided evidence, typically in overwhelming and condescending fashion, to people who think their Boomer ignorance about EV's from ten years ago make a point.I've been lurking in this thread for a while now because I know I have a lot to learn before I can lean one way or another regarding EV/fossil fuel.
After reading 95%+ of the replies I have to say I'm calling Wilbur out as a fake.
Thank you very much.
Please re-read and explain this reply.You are so phenomenally ignorant. You can do road trips right now, of whatever length you want, with the total time barely affected by using an EV in most places. Battery swap infrastructure cannot and does not work, and a trillion-dollar company has specifically chosen not to do it. It's utterly unnecessary, and it would hamper development and deployment of EV's.
You'd have to build more batteries than cars, and right now batteries are what limits car production.
Car production would go down if you went this route, and it would be to NO practical advantage.
I've done 1000 miles in a day in an EV, in a trip I'd already done in gas. It made very little difference.
