Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[wilberforce15]

Lol, whatever. You have an excuse for everything.

An excuse?

For everything?
People considering an EV was at 1% just a few years ago.

Now it's 10% or 30%, depending on the survey.
That's exponential increase. You are the one with an excuse for why a 10x increase in interest doesn't matter.

 

[wilberforce15]

Oh don’t worry, that’s another reason for this whole charade. Our leaders sold out to China and guess who owns 90% of the worlds precious metals?

Metals aren't a concern for anyone except FakeTexan

 

[vantexan]

Oh don’t worry, that’s another reason for this whole charade. Our leaders sold out to China and guess who owns 90% of the worlds precious metals?

Better to say China has most of the rare earth metals, which are essential for high end electronics and weaponry. But the big ones in electric cars are copper and silver along with cobalt, nickel, and lithium in the batteries.

 

[Non liberal]

Metals aren't a concern for anyone except FakeTexan

Not a concern for battery makers?

 

[vantexan]

Metals aren't a concern for anyone except FakeTexan

Nope, saw an interview with the CEO of a mining company. Said most silver today is a byproduct of mining other metals, especially copper. That we've already hit peak silver. He pointed out EV's use more than twice the silver that ICE vehicles do. He said to replace all current cars with EV's just isn't feasible because there's no natural substitute for silver. You're kidding yourself about exponential growth at Tesla.

 

[wilberforce15]

Not a concern for battery makers?

Why would it be?

Btw, Tesla is largely becoming Tesla's battery maker.

 

[Ou812fu]

They can create and enforce a gas ration or a gas prohibition on anyone they like at any time if they can get away with it politically. It is not difficult and having a gas car does not protect you from that capriciousness.

No, gas is harder. There are farmers with 300 gallons and more of fuel stored.

 

[wilberforce15]

Tesla is also Tesla's own chip-maker.

Ford and Toyota and the other garbage companies are just designers and delegators.

 

[vantexan]

Why would it be?

Btw, Tesla is Tesla's battery maker.

Tesla is already looking at lithium iron phosphate batteries to replace their current ones. I wonder why? @wilberforce15

 

[wilberforce15]

No, gas is harder. There are farmers with 300 gallons and more of fuel stored.

lol. Irrelevant.

 

[Non liberal]

Tesla is also Tesla's own chip-maker.

Ford and Toyota and the other garbage companies are just designers and delegators.

Toyota builds the best cars and trucks in the world, always have and they always will. Even if Tesla beats them off the start they won’t be able to build a better vehicle. Nobody has been able to do it, and that’s not going to change. Especially Tesla where their quality of car is already really poor.

 

[wilberforce15]

Toyota builds the best cars and trucks in the world, always have and they always will. Even if Tesla beats them off the start they won’t be able to build a better vehicle. Nobody has been able to do it, and that’s not going to change. Especially Tesla where their quality of car is already really poor.

I didn't say they built a better vehicle. You need to read more closely. Toyota has much higher manufacturing standards.
What nobody can do is produce in volume at Tesla's price. That is where they are hopeless.

Tesla's poor quality is irrelevant, because their quality is the lowest at the same time that they are the highest ranked luxury brand and have the highest customer loyalty.

Toyota is the best at something that consumers don't care much about. Tesla is the best at something consumers do care about - performance v. price.
You're obsessed with door panel gaps or warranty claims on glove box repairs or something. Nobody cares. That's build quality.

What Tesla destroys the world on is EV volume and price.

 

[wilberforce15]

This is why Tesla sells a 45k vehicle for 8k profit.

And Ford sells its knockoff 45k vehicle for a loss.

Toyota will sell theirs at a loss, too.

 

[vantexan]

I didn't say they built a better vehicle. You need to read more closely. Toyota has much higher manufacturing standards.
What nobody can do is produce in volume at Tesla's price. That is where they are hopeless.

Tesla's poor quality is irrelevant, because their quality is the lowest at the same time that they are the highest ranked luxury brand and have the highest customer loyalty.

Toyota is the best at something that consumers don't care much about. Tesla is the best at something consumers do care about - performance v. price.
You're obsessed with door panel gaps or warranty claims on glove box repairs or something. Nobody cares. That's build quality.

What Tesla destroys the world on is EV volume and price.

The problem with Tesla is the "Bigger Sucker Theory." Sooner or later they'll run out of suckers because at their pricing there's only so many who can pay.

 

[Non liberal]

I didn't say they built a better vehicle. You need to read more closely. Toyota has much higher manufacturing standards.
What nobody can do is produce in volume at Tesla's price. That is where they are hopeless.

Tesla's poor quality is irrelevant, because their quality is the lowest at the same time that they are the highest ranked luxury brand and have the highest customer loyalty.

Toyota is the best at something that consumers don't care much about. Tesla is the best at something consumers do care about - performance v. price.
You're obsessed with door panel gaps or warranty claims on glove box repairs or something. Nobody cares. That's build quality.

What Tesla destroys the world on is EV volume and price.

Yes, and it’s only a matter of time before the other companies catch up. And when they do I’m pretty sure they will be able to beat them on quality and price. Toyota will have the quality, food and Chevy will have the price wars. They are just too big of companies to lose. By big I mean manufacturing capability.

 

[wilberforce15]

Yes, and it’s only a matter of time before the other companies catch up. And when they do I’m pretty sure they will be able to beat them on quality and price. Toyota will have the quality, food and Chevy will have the price wars. They are just too big of companies to lose. By big I mean manufacturing capability.

They cannot catch up. You are completely ignorant about the manufacturing edge it takes to create those margins.
Custom casting machines that are the largest in world, in a purpose-built factory that takes years to build. Then design changes that only pay off years later with the elimination of dozens of robots and hundreds of welds per vehicle.

All this takes YEARS to do, no matter who you are.

And Tesla has already put in those years. The others have not.
Toyota is physically incapable of catching up for a decade. They have to start by designing a new factory.

Their manufacturing capability is pathetic and irrelevant, because it is tailored to a completely different product. There can be no retrofit.

 

[Babagounj]

Since that the government imposed mandate is set for 2035, will the necessary industries to support this be ready on time ?
A monumental change such as this usually requires decades for the targeted markets to adjust.
I see 2050 as a more reasonable time frame to accomplish this goal.
Urban areas can adjust quicker to the changes.
But rural areas will need more time.
And places like Alaska where towns are hundred of miles apart mostly will never be able to adjust.

 

[wilberforce15]

Since that the government imposed mandate is set for 2035, will the necessary industries to support this be ready on time ?
A monumental change such as this usually requires decades for the targeted markets to adjust.
I see 2050 as a more reasonable time frame to accomplish this goal.
Urban areas can adjust quicker to the changes.
But rural areas will need more time.
And places like Alaska where towns are hundred of miles apart mostly will never be able to adjust.

I'm afraid you don't understand the mandates are about new sales.
If new sales are all EVs even in 2035 (which probably isn't going to happen) then you would still have plenty of gas cars rocking and rolling until 2060 and beyond.

And even in 2035, if it were all the new sales, it still wouldn't be the majority on the road.

 

[Non liberal]

They cannot catch up. You are completely ignorant about the manufacturing edge it takes to create those margins.
Custom casting machines that are the largest in world, in a purpose-built factory that takes years to build. Then design changes that only pay off years later with the elimination of dozens of robots and hundreds of welds per vehicle.

All this takes YEARS to do, no matter who you are.

And Tesla has already put in those years. The others have not.
Toyota is physically incapable of catching up for a decade. They have to start by designing a new factory.

Their manufacturing capability is pathetic and irrelevant, because it is tailored to a completely different product. There can be no retrofit.

It takes years for a company that is new to building cars, Toyota knows how to build cars already. They’ll be just fine. Tesla isn’t running away with anything. Even if they do, once Toyota actually brings the product to market, Tesla will drop like a rock.

 

[wilberforce15]

It takes years for a company that is new to building cars, Toyota knows how to build cars already. They’ll be just fine. Tesla isn’t running away with anything. Even if they do, once Toyota actually brings the product to market, Tesla will drop like a rock.

No, it will take at least 5 years to design and build the new factory and the new models.

It doesn't matter what they know how to do. That's how long it takes to design and construct the building and lay equipment and staffing down.
And by the time Toyota gets its first purpose-built factory constructed, Tesla will have the capacity to make 10M vehicles (about 5 years from now) which will put them at production parity, but with only one of them knowing how to make an EV.