Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[Non liberal]

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This is you guys. Except it's old man yells at consumers. They just don't want the thing that should. They must be stupid. You tell 'em

No, like always the consumer will learn their lesson. If you think an ev is going to be cheaper in the long run to own, you’re incredibly misinformed.

 

[wilberforce15]

No, like always the consumer will learn their lesson. If you think an ev is going to be cheaper in the long run to own, you’re incredibly misinformed.

Nobody buys them to be cheaper in the long or short run. You are misinformed. And definitely nobody buys a Tesla to be cheaper in the long or short run. Why would you think that's why people buy?

 

[wilberforce15]

Think about that for a moment. They sold every car, even though they’re all the same. An ev is a ev, there is nothing to separate them. It’s not like you can build different pkgs, different engines, transmissions. The only people buying them are the homers for evs. That’s all they make, that’s the only choice, it’s a limited group of people that will be buying them. Unless they outlaw the use of petrol cars, these companies will go bankrupt if all they offer are evs. That’s why Toyota is smart, by the time they are ready to build evs, Tesla will have to start building ice cars for the other half of the population or they’ll go bankrupt.

Yes, they sold every car they can make, every year, and they can't produce enough to match demand. The lines just keep getting longer.

The line is longer after selling a million in a year than it was after selling 250k in a year.
Why on earth is that a problem?
You don't need different packages. That's because an electric motor is inherently superior. There is no transmission, lol. There is no "different engine"; there is only a difference in the number of motors. Single motor, dual motor, or tri-motor. Some have quad.

It's not a limited group of buyers.

You can't sell 2 million EV's in a year to a bunch of sold-out liberals or whatever. There aren't enough of those. The cars are actually good, and they are telling you that. Ford is desperately selling things at a loss just to match price and specs...kinda.
If only half the car market ever goes EV, Tesla can still double a few more times and be the largest in the world.

And that's if ICE cars dominate. It is a very common business misunderstanding that you have to offer something for everyone. You don't. You can be the biggest in the world and never even attempt to reach certain car segments.

Tesla is 5 times the market cap of Toyota and basically sells 4 models. lol.

 

[Ou812fu]

Ooppsss. This will not turn out well for Tesla..

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[Ou812fu]

Yes, they sold every car they can make, every year, and they can't produce enough to match demand. The lines just keep getting longer.

The line is longer after selling a million in a year than it was after selling 250k in a year.
Why on earth is that a problem?
You don't need different packages. That's because an electric motor is inherently superior. There is no transmission, lol. There is no "different engine"; there is only a difference in the number of motors. Single motor, dual motor, or tri-motor. Some have quad.

It's not a limited group of buyers.

You can't sell 2 million EV's in a year to a bunch of sold-out liberals or whatever. There aren't enough of those. The cars are actually good, and they are telling you that. Ford is desperately selling things at a loss just to match price and specs...kinda.
If only half the car market ever goes EV, Tesla can still double a few more times and be the largest in the world.

And that's if ICE cars dominate. It is a very common business misunderstanding that you have to offer something for everyone. You don't. You can be the biggest in the world and never even attempt to reach certain car segments.

Tesla is 5 times the market cap of Toyota and basically sells 4 models. lol.

Wait there isn't a transmission??? Sure looks like a transmission to me....

You really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Non liberal]

Nobody buys them to be cheaper in the long or short run. You are misinformed. And definitely nobody buys a Tesla to be cheaper in the long or short run. Why would you think that's why people buy?

That’s what you said, they’re cheaper to operate, no maintenance,”which they do have maintenance” now what is your reason as to why they buy?

 

[Non liberal]

Yes, they sold every car they can make, every year, and they can't produce enough to match demand. The lines just keep getting longer.

The line is longer after selling a million in a year than it was after selling 250k in a year.
Why on earth is that a problem?
You don't need different packages. That's because an electric motor is inherently superior. There is no transmission, lol. There is no "different engine"; there is only a difference in the number of motors. Single motor, dual motor, or tri-motor. Some have quad.

It's not a limited group of buyers.

You can't sell 2 million EV's in a year to a bunch of sold-out liberals or whatever. There aren't enough of those. The cars are actually good, and they are telling you that. Ford is desperately selling things at a loss just to match price and specs...kinda.
If only half the car market ever goes EV, Tesla can still double a few more times and be the largest in the world.

And that's if ICE cars dominate. It is a very common business misunderstanding that you have to offer something for everyone. You don't. You can be the biggest in the world and never even attempt to reach certain car segments.

Tesla is 5 times the market cap of Toyota and basically sells 4 models. lol.

I’m telling you they are a sham, once it’s uncovered that a hybrid is cleaner and much cheaper, and better for the environment, evs are going to have a rude awakening. Toyota knows this. The max efficiency of a ice has not yet been realized. Hybrids are the future. Btw, Teslas stock is overvalued, musk even said as much.

 

[wilberforce15]

That’s what you said, they’re cheaper to operate, no maintenance,”which they do have maintenance” now what is your reason as to why they buy?

The lack of maintenance is a convenience. People buying 50k cars value their time more than their money. They do not really have maintenance.

The lack of maintenance is about saving time, not saving money. The purchase price more than negates any savings on gas or maintenance.

But my time matters more than any of that. I go basically the entire year every year with only a few fuel stops and no mechanics. That's convenience. You cannot quote me on saying Tesla's are cheaper. I didn't say it. They're not.

They're more convenient. And that is objective fact for most of the population.

 

[wilberforce15]

I’m telling you they are a sham, once it’s uncovered that a hybrid is cleaner and much cheaper, and better for the environment, evs are going to have a rude awakening. Toyota knows this. The max efficiency of a ice has not yet been realized. Hybrids are the future. Btw, Teslas stock is overvalued, musk even said as much.

Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. You get worse performance than pure gas or pure EV, and you get none of the benefits of pure gas or pure EV.

Fake Texan likes that he can idle in traffic for 5 days instead of 2, as if that's some sort of advantage.

 

[wilberforce15]

Ooppsss. This will not turn out well for Tesla..

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It will end like all the other lawsuits: just fine.

 

[wilberforce15]

If you have 1 gear, it doesn't "trans" to anything.

Trans means change.

 

[wilberforce15]

This is what comes to mind every time I see that single-speed "transmission"-posting maroon's name.

He's just a cartoon, but not even as smart as one.

 

[wilberforce15]

Does Zoboomafoo feel as dumb as he is, yet?

A single gear is no transmission.

That's why when your stupid ICE vehicle loses its transmission, you often still have a working gear. It just doesn't "trans" any more.

 

[wilberforce15]

Why on earth should I have to put up with such stupidity?

 

[Non liberal]

Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. You get worse performance than pure gas or pure EV, and you get none of the benefits of pure gas or pure EV.

Fake Texan likes that he can idle in traffic for 5 days instead of 2, as if that's some sort of advantage.

They’re actually better all the way around. Tfl tested them against each other. Cheaper to buy, operate, in my eyes more reliable, and cleaner for the environment to boot, although not my top priority. And convenient because of better range.

 

[wilberforce15]

They’re actually better all the way around. Til tested them against each other. Cheaper to buy, operate, in my eyes more reliable, and cleaner for the environment to boot, although not my top priority. And convenient because of better range.

They're cheaper to buy and operate, and for that you get less of a car. Your eyes aren't the market's eyes, and we've been through this a dozen times. You aren't the market. Your needs aren't generalized to the population's needs.
The range is basically useless compared to the ability to fuel at home. Fueling at home and eliminating the mechanic and the gas stop is a net time savings for most Americans.

The average car gets 12k miles per year. Most Americans don't need the extra 100 miles of range or whatever silly number it is. They can go all year and never drive 500 miles in a day.

 

[wilberforce15]

You stop for fuel 52 times a year, more or less. If you are average.

I stop for fuel 2-4 times per year. And that's putting 20k miles a year on it.

 

[Non liberal]

They're cheaper to buy and operate, and for that you get less of a car. Your eyes aren't the market's eyes, and we've been through this a dozen times. You aren't the market. Your needs aren't generalized to the population's needs.
The range is basically useless compared to the ability to fuel at home. Fueling at home and eliminating the mechanic and the gas stop is a net time savings for most Americans.

The average car gets 12k miles per year. Most Americans don't need the extra 100 miles of range or whatever silly number it is. They can go all year and never drive 500 miles in a day.

Fair enough, but there are a slew of people buying them because their government is telling them there is an environmental benefit to them, when there isn’t. Now if people actually do a little research and see that there isn’t, it could be very bad for Tesla, and evs in general until the technology evolves. But that is “trillions of dollars and decades away” to quote some so-called expert.

 

[Non liberal]

You stop for fuel 52 times a year, more or less. If you are average.

I stop for fuel 2-4 times per year. And that's putting 20k miles a year on it.

And that’s good for you. Alot of other people prefer to have peace of mind that if they get stuck in an accident somewhere they’re not going to have to call a tow truck because their battery died.

 

[wilberforce15]

Fair enough, but there are a slew of people buying them because their government is telling them there is an environmental benefit to them, when there isn’t. Now if people actually do a little research and see that there isn’t, it could be very bad for Tesla, and evs in general until the technology evolves. But that is “trillions of dollars and decades away” to quote some so-called expert.

People don't part with 50-80 thousand dollars because the government says so, unless they also feel they are receiving tremendous value from it. Even liberals aren't that nuts.

Tesla's value delivered to the consumer is superior, and that's what informs the repeat buyer and customer satisfaction rate.

A person could be deceived into buying one. They can't be deceived into loving it years later and buying another.