Thebrownblob
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Getting tougher to reasonably own cars, for sure.
Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.
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Sounds great on paper. The reality of what that looks like in practice is a whole other ballgame. We don't have the power grid to charge all of those cars even if they could make them all. Not if the power grid is supposed to be green. Even now with coal and natural gas California has to beg people not to charge their cars within certain hours. And there's nowhere near the EV's you're talking about. This is a fantasy fueled by fear of climate change killing the planet.
Absolute fantasy.
wilberforce15
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Like I said, your only hope is that all the worlds smartest people, all their governments, motivated by a religious fervor, which doesn't care about costs, can't figure out how to do make electrons and cars.
That's a silly hope.
They'll have to come up with alternatives to all the minerals/metals needed to build all those cars. Even without all the EV's the world's resources are finite. The day will come, maybe not in our lifetime, that they'll have to recycle things to extract needed materials because they've become depleted. That's the reality of 8 billion people whose countries are in varying degrees of development but want better lives. Pushing everyone into EV's will deplete those resources that much faster. Poor people may get things last, but rich people, especially Europe, has to go to those poor nations for their resources. Or have you not noticed China doing just that in Africa and South America? When it comes to natural resources this country doesn't exist in a vacuum. We have to go elsewhere for some needed things and, if you haven't noticed, these young people won't stand for extracting our own resources. Saving the planet and all that.
And as always you go personal when I bring up things you'd rather not discuss. Why not push a world where everyone is on electric bikes or using public transportation that moves a lot of people at a time? Most city trips are 5 miles or less so I hear. Why have hundreds of millions of electric cars? Or why not have plug in hybrids that will cover 30+ miles on electric only? Why have huge batteries? Why is range and performance needed at low speed in town driving?
wilberforce15
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Depleting resources makes the price go up, and makes those poor nations better off. It gives them more power.
We will not run into a supply problem as we fulfill the religious dreams of our elites.
We don't have an overpopulation problem. We have an underpopulation problem.
We have an aging population problem in much of the world. And eventually those resources will be depleted to build hundreds of millions of cars that can't be supported by a green grid. Good luck!
Spent 10 years in Texas in 4 different cities. Will go back eventually to the Big Bend. When you've done similar you can talk about who's fake and who isn't. Meanwhile good luck with this EV fantasy.
wilberforce15
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Don't need luck. Everyone with all the money and power is ideologically committed. It's a done deal.
Prove it.
If you think that everyone will be fine with no expression of individuality, just mindless drones who get in and out of driverless cars they ordered on their phone, then you absolutely have no idea what it means to be a Texan. You've already slammed football, which is a religion in Texas. You're into technology, fascinated by it. I get that. But you have no idea how the real world works in a place like Texas.
wilberforce15
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This is an Uber that doesn't have a driver. And it will arrive faster and more places. And it cost 90% less. People will not care about losing the headache and expense of maintaining a car. Most people who are in Texas are like you, meaning not real Texans.
There is no spirit of self-sufficiency or individuality that you can appeal to. They are not rebels. It's just a giant cuckold of a state that's about to turn blue. As long as you don't mess with their sportsball.
You bring to mind an old Texas phrase. All Hat - No Cattle.
wilberforce15
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Yes you have one. Maybe borrow my cowboy hat to cover it up?
Commercial Inside Release
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Wilbur is probably right, except for the 10¢ per mile. Never in all the decades I've wasted in America, has anything actually gotten cheaper. Maybe temporarily cheaper?
Robotaxis will be priced more than taxis and Uber, until the novelty wears off. Then, they'll undercut Uber & Co, until they push back. All sorts of laws will be passed running up the costs with permits, fees, insurances, etc. Uber and taxis may lose to the robots eventually, but by the time the dust settles, the price will be higher than ever.
Robotaxis will be priced more than taxis and Uber, until the novelty wears off. Then, they'll undercut Uber & Co, until they push back. All sorts of laws will be passed running up the costs with permits, fees, insurances, etc. Uber and taxis may lose to the robots eventually, but by the time the dust settles, the price will be higher than ever.
wilberforce15
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Computers, TVs, and almost everything tech related declines in price over time, and quite precipitously at that.
Cars are going to experience a technological revolution, and prices will act just like a technological revolution.
The cost of transporting goods is a tiny fraction of what it was 100 years ago. The next 20 or 30 years will have even more change than that.
Fred's Myth
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When technology is perfected (zero errors) to support your scenario, it will become closer to reality. Infrastructure and its maintenance will still be the Achilles heel to its failure.
Remember Murphy’s Law: Everything that can go wrong, will.
Twenty or so years ago there was a fad to build houses with straw bales. Funny thing was when people realized there was this sudden demand for straw bales they started raising the prices significantly. Before that you could get them cheaply. Fad pretty much died out.
There's a huge amount of money in today's cars. The idea that all of that will go away and whatever wealth is generated by EV's is concentrated in a relative few hands, taking the livelihoods away from millions as well as profits generated, is unrealistic. Not to mention prices will go up with demand. But hope springs eternal.
wilberforce15
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The technology is already better than everyone here, and everyone here is allowed on the road.
When there is enough economic and worldview incentive to create the power for it, it will be created. There's nothing meaningful that's going to stop it. Humanity has never looked at such a giant leap in technological ability, and then decided not to embrace it.
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