Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[wilberforce15]

Twenty or so years ago there was a fad to build houses with straw bales. Funny thing was when people realized there was this sudden demand for straw bales they started raising the prices significantly. Before that you could get them cheaply. Fad pretty much died out.

There's a huge amount of money in today's cars. The idea that all of that will go away and whatever wealth is generated by EV's is concentrated in a relative few hands, taking the livelihoods away from millions as well as profits generated, is unrealistic. Not to mention prices will go up with demand. But hope springs eternal.

Superior machines take all market share from inferior machines. This is the way of capitalism. And it's also what the socialists want. So, It is simply going to win.

A similar fad with container houses, and all other kinds of things could be mentioned. But none of those are fundamental improvements on the house itself. Electric vehicles are a quantum leap better in function.

Millions of miles with basically no maintenance. That changes everything. And it is fact, no matter how much you may pretend it's not a thing.

 

[vantexan]

Superior machines take all market share from inferior machines. This is the way of capitalism. And it's also what the socialists want. So, It is simply going to win.

A similar fad with container houses, and all other kinds of things could be mentioned. But none of those are fundamental improvements on the house itself. Electric vehicles are a quantum leap better in function.

Millions of miles with basically no maintenance. That changes everything. And it is fact, no matter how much you may pretend it's not a thing.

You can't seem to grasp that unless the government controls the market, which would likely doom it, the increased demand in everything needed to build hundreds of millions of EV's, and generate enough power to run them, will increase prices exponentially, not decrease prices. You apparently didn't watch the video I posted that pointed out the customer base that buys Teslas is primarily made up of wealthy liberals who want to virtue signal their helping to save the planet. The same liberals who are deeply offended by Elon Musk exposing what has been going on with Twitter. There isn't a cheap Tesla. And there won't be a cheap fleet of robotaxis which are quickly profitable because the demand for everything needed to build them will be sky high. There's no economy of scale in limited supply. This is basic economics but somehow you think they'll manage it all somehow because they want to. This is the very reason why Toyota, which has the resources to do everything Tesla is doing, is more focused on hybrids. They think the future in EV's is limited. They'll offer some models, but mostly they're doing hybrids because fuel economy and lower vehicle costs in their opinion will win out.

 

[Thebrownblob]

You can't seem to grasp that unless the government controls the market, which would likely doom it, the increased demand in everything needed to build hundreds of millions of EV's, and generate enough power to run them, will increase prices exponentially, not decrease prices. You apparently didn't watch the video I posted that pointed out the customer base that buys Teslas is primarily made up of wealthy liberals who want to virtue signal their helping to save the planet. The same liberals who are deeply offended by Elon Musk exposing what has been going on with Twitter. There isn't a cheap Tesla. And there won't be a cheap fleet of robotaxis which are quickly profitable because the demand for everything needed to build them will be sky high. There's no economy of scale in limited supply. This is basic economics but somehow you think they'll manage it all somehow because they want to. This is the very reason why Toyota, which has the resources to do everything Tesla is doing, is more focused on hybrids. They think the future in EV's is limited. They'll offer some models, but mostly they're doing hybrids because fuel economy and lower vehicle costs in their opinion will win out.

You’re just really behind on what’s going on here. This change is happening weather We think it should or want it to. They don’t even call them selfs automakers anymore. They call them selves, mobility companies.

Mobility as a service: Will you own a vehicle in the future?

In 2030, nine years from now, around 10% of us may have given up our cars altogether. Read how the move towards mobility as a service is already taking place.

www.cadonix.com

The move towards mobility as a service (MaaS) is already taking place. In 2017, Ford and Toyota renamed themselves ‘mobility companies’ rather than automotive manufacturers[3].

 

[Fred's Myth]

You can't seem to grasp that unless the government controls the market, which would likely doom it, the increased demand in everything needed to build hundreds of millions of EV's, and generate enough power to run them, will increase prices exponentially, not decrease prices. You apparently didn't watch the video I posted that pointed out the customer base that buys Teslas is primarily made up of wealthy liberals who want to virtue signal their helping to save the planet. The same liberals who are deeply offended by Elon Musk exposing what has been going on with Twitter. There isn't a cheap Tesla. And there won't be a cheap fleet of robotaxis which are quickly profitable because the demand for everything needed to build them will be sky high. There's no economy of scale in limited supply. This is basic economics but somehow you think they'll manage it all somehow because they want to. This is the very reason why Toyota, which has the resources to do everything Tesla is doing, is more focused on hybrids. They think the future in EV's is limited. They'll offer some models, but mostly they're doing hybrids because fuel economy and lower vehicle costs in their opinion will win out.

Why do you think Elon sent a Tesla into space??? It was to establish that mining asteroids for Tesla raw materials is viable, just like a world with all EV's.

Just wait until he puts his mind to nuclear fission to source practically free electricity! You'll eat crow...mark my words.

 

[bottomups]

Why do you think Elon sent a Tesla into space??? It was to establish that mining asteroids for Tesla raw materials is viable, just like a world with all EV's.

Just wait until he puts his mind to nuclear fission to source practically free electricity! You'll eat crow...mark my words.

Nuclear fusion. Was a breakthrough in it's technology last year. Probably coming sooner than we think.

 

[vantexan]

Why do you think Elon sent a Tesla into space??? It was to establish that mining asteroids for Tesla raw materials is viable, just like a world with all EV's.

Just wait until he puts his mind to nuclear fission to source practically free electricity! You'll eat crow...mark my words.

What's funny is Wilber thinks you're being sincere.

 

[vantexan]

Nuclear fusion. Was a breakthrough in it's technology last year. Probably coming sooner than we think.

Not until at least 2100 if not later.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Nuclear fusion. Was a breakthrough in it's technology last year. Probably coming sooner than we think.

Thanks for the correction. What I meant, not what I said.

 

[Babagounj]

Tesla real problem isn't the products they make, it's the fact that they only make high end EVs at a non-union shop.
The luxury EV Market is growing thus shrinking their customer base.
Other EV car companies that play ball with the gov't are the ones who get the subsidy credits.
And all the free press every hack is willing to give them.

When Biden gave a EV speech , it was GM he mentioned.
GM plays ball with the gov't and has a union shop.
So Biden gained points with several elements that could increase his poll numbers.

Tesla's biggest issue is its products.
It lacks the ability to provide a high demand following say like a new model of a cell phone.
Which is what is causing their stock prices to falter.

 

[qdg2]

Tesla real problem isn't the products they make, it's the fact that they only make high end EVs at a non-union shop.
The luxury EV Market is growing thus shrinking their customer base.
Other EV car companies that play ball with the gov't are the ones who get the subsidy credits.
And all the free press every hack is willing to give them.

When Biden gave a EV speech , it was GM he mentioned.
GM plays ball with the gov't and has a union shop.
So Biden gained points with several elements that could increase his poll numbers.

Tesla's biggest issue is its products.
It lacks the ability to provide a high demand following say like a new model of a cell phone.
Which is what is causing their stock prices to falter.

But it is the products they make....

EV's don't have any utility....well, practical utility. Limited range......meaning you're screwed unless you have all day to charge if in fact there is a charge station.

I can't afford to own a Tesla and a gas car(you need both for reality). That's why there aren't many on the road....expensive and impractical.....yuck.

 

[ConnDo]

I can't afford to own a Tesla and a gas car(you need both for reality). That's why there aren't many on the road....expensive and impractical.....yuck.

Might aswell get a hybrid then if you own both to be fair. Owning just an EV is basically a handicap imo.

 

[qdg2]

Might aswell get a hybrid then if you own both to be fair. Owning just an EV is basically a handicap imo.

We shouldn't have to do anything...

 

[wilberforce15]

But it is the products they make....

EV's don't have any utility....well, practical utility. Limited range......meaning you're screwed unless you have all day to charge if in fact there is a charge station.

I can't afford to own a Tesla and a gas car(you need both for reality). That's why there aren't many on the road....expensive and impractical.....yuck.

There aren't many on the road, because they aren't even in mass production yet. Tesla is expanding faster than Ford did with the model t, and doubling production every year. But they're still not going to crack 2 million this year. But you had not even heard of them five or eight years ago. And now they're about to make 2 million cars in a year.

Nothing takes all day to charge. Unless you're towing for doing something else specialized, an electric vehicle takes much less headache and takes less time to manage than a gas car. It is a better and more convenient fit for the vast majority of drivers. That is why they are having such success.

Ignorance.

 

[qdg2]

There aren't many on the road, because they aren't even in mass production yet. Tesla is expanding faster than Ford did with the model t, and doubling production every year. But they're still not going to crack 2 million this year. But you had not even heard of them five or eight years ago. And now they're about to make 2 million cars in a year.

Nothing takes all day to charge. Unless you're towing for doing something else specialized, an electric vehicle takes much less headache and takes less time to manage than a gas car. It is a better and more convenient fit for the vast majority of drivers. That is why they are having such success.

Ignorance.

Fanatical fantasy.

Tesla's market share....2%.

There aren't many on the road.......right. Not many....few.

It may not take all day to charge but being 50 times longer or whatever...even longer than gas cars....makes it a deal killer.

Only the truly homer ignorant would deny such.]

Around here......huge market place...lot's of cars and people.....

You'll see a few....way more KIA Soul's for example in traffic or at a light.

And what charging stations you do see.....mostly if not always empty.......no one got time to sit around.....

You would see a couple in our BIG HUB parking lot........about right relative to what you see on the road.

Tell us more.....and why is this more than fantastical product go unused by the vast, vast, vast majority of EVERYONE?

 

[wilberforce15]

Fanatical fantasy.

Tesla's market share....2%.

There aren't many on the road.......right. Not many....few.

It may not take all day to charge but being 50 times longer or whatever...even longer than gas cars....makes it a deal killer.

Only the truly homer ignorant would deny such.]

Around here......huge market place...lot's of cars and people.....

You'll see a few....way more KIA Soul's for example in traffic or at a light.

And what charging stations you do see.....mostly if not always empty.......no one got time to sit around.....

You would see a couple in our BIG HUB parking lot........about right relative to what you see on the road.

Tell us more.....and why is this more than fantastical product go unused by the vast, vast, vast majority of EVERYONE?

All of them that are produced are sold, and there is a waiting line. Demand outstrips supply. The fastest production ramp in history isn't enough to meet all the demand. There are way more people who want them than who can have them.

The charging stations are almost always empty, because the vast majority of owners do not need to use them. They have electricity at their houses. That is why I spend less time fueling my EV than you spend fueling your gas car...

You have to run a 5 or 10 minute errand every week to fill up on gas. I don't. You have to go for oil changes regularly, and I don't.

Owning an electric vehicle is more convenient and saves time for the average person.

 

[wilberforce15]

It was the intent from the beginning for most charging stations to be empty most of the time. They only exist for road trips for the average user. They need to be there to enable the long trips, but they're normally not going to be occupied.

I use them a few times per year. I am average.

 

[vantexan]

It was the intent from the beginning for most charging stations to be empty most of the time. They only exist for road trips for the average user. They need to be there to enable the long trips, but they're normally not going to be occupied.

I use them a few times per year. I am average.

Aren't those pay stations? Who puts something in place with the intent that they'd be little used? People invest for a return.

 

[wilberforce15]

Aren't those pay stations? Who puts something in place with the intent that they'd be little used? People invest for a return.

Yes, they are a cost of doing business, not a profit making place. Without them, nobody would buy the electric car. You have to have them, so that long trips can be made. But the stations themselves are going to run at a loss.

But they create better car sales, if you have a better network. That's why everybody loves Tesla over everybody else. Their network is the best.

And it's why I would never invest in any of the companies that only do charging stations. They will all lose.

The Tesla supercharger Network probably runs at a loss, even though it is the most used of all. But it is also part of why they have unlimited demand for their vehicles, and why they can charge whatever they want

 

[vantexan]

Yes, they are a cost of doing business, not a profit making place. Without them, nobody would buy the electric car. You have to have them, so that long trips can be made. But the stations themselves are going to run at a loss.

But they create better car sales, if you have a better network. That's why everybody loves Tesla over everybody else. Their network is the best.

And it's why I would never invest in any of the companies that only do charging stations. They will all lose.

The Tesla supercharger Network probably runs at a loss, even though it is the most used of all. But it is also part of why they have unlimited demand for their vehicles, and why they can charge whatever they want

I hadn't considered that in order to sell EV's a company needs to sell the public on the idea there's an infrastructure in place to charge them. But that's also likely another reason why Teslas cost so much. The cost of doing all that is built into the price. No different than FedEx providing you with an envelope to send documents without charging you for it. The cost is built into the cost of the service.

 

[wilberforce15]

This is also why it has been an item of controversy whether Elon should open up his network to all vehicles. Which has been done some places..

It is bad for Tesla shareholders, but good for his mission of expanding the electric vehicle market and saving the planet or whatever. It would all of a sudden make everybody else's cars more desirable. And Tesla wouldn't even be making money off the increase business, or at least not very much money.