Possible Suspicious Incidents

[island1fox]

Diesel,
You and others continue to live in the past--one of the major problems of our country.
I cannot make Monica a cigar virgin--it is over --I also cannot change the tragic events of pearl harbor nor sept 11th.
I live in todays world --You seem not to get it --I dont care if the President's name today is Obama or Bush.
I am just expecting a basic competancy of the people that are presently responsible for our safety. Let go of the past- this is what you sound like with different words:
Bush was an a---hole so it is fine IF
Obama is an a---hole

Not trying to drag wkmac into this ----but we get dug in so deep left and right -----We can not even see the trees in the forest even while we are pissing on them.
All American's have to wake up ---drop your left and right Blinders !!!

 

[tieguy]

Suppose your captured, and you beg the enemy to stop inflicting phyiscal beatings on you. Then enemy says, "Ok" lets play a little game. How bout we play a little game of russian roulette everyday. "We will not lend one hand on you.....After a few days/weeks of near death experiences of blowing your own head off..... the enemy says "New Game"...let's play "decapitation simulation" for our wonderful studio audiences and websites carrying it live around the world on the internet...... And everyday they went as far as the actual act of carrying it out promising one time it will be for real...... Now phyiscal pain was not inflicted in each scenario, yet that doesn't meet your critiria of tortue, eventhough you'll be a mental wreck for the rest of your life if you are released...I think it's time to put down the Tom Clancy "Splinter Cell" novels and seperate us from the enemy...

In my opinion you just don't get it. I'm not looking for some moral victory with terrorist. My wife and my kids dying with honor at the hands of a terrorist does not make me feel any better about their deaths.

Sour grapes

I visited my local Publix last night, and saw fruit I'd never seen before. They were listed as "Sour Grapes" at $1.29 per pound. They look like small champagne grapes, but are spaced further apart. They are green, and sour like a Willy Wonka candy. I ended up pairing them with some sweet fruit.
Does anyone have more knowledge on these types of grapes? Their actual name? Origin? Are they just normal grapes that aren't ripe? Google searches for 'sour grapes' find information on the idiom, but not the fruit.
Maybe I should google American Conservatives......

I think you're entitled to go to whattever bar suits your fancy and to engage whatever fruits you feel comfortable with. I think you should keep this perversions to yourself however.

 

[tieguy]

There is a certain smugnesses with this discussion that comes from being able to sit back with a feeling of confidence that you and those you hold near and dear will not be threatened by the terrorist. If for instance the terrorist were in your neigborhood and picking off your neighbors then your answers would be different. You would not care how an AV8 eliminates that threat to you and your family as long as it is eliminated. But instead you folks think you're somehow removed from the threat so you think its ok to mock those who realize the threat is real and you look down your nose with indignation at those who would propose we fight those spineless cowards on their level.

I have no qualms on this issue and I will not be two faced in response. Those cowards need to recieve what they dish out. Nothing less.

 

[Jones]

There is a certain smugnesses with this discussion that comes from being able to sit back with a feeling of confidence that you and those you hold near and dear will not be threatened by the terrorist. If for instance the terrorist were in your neigborhood and picking off your neighbors then your answers would be different. You would not care how an AV8 eliminates that threat to you and your family as long as it is eliminated. But instead you folks think you're somehow removed from the threat so you think its ok to mock those who realize the threat is real and you look down your nose with indignation at those who would propose we fight those spineless cowards on their level.

I have no qualms on this issue and I will not be two faced in response. Those cowards need to recieve what they dish out. Nothing less.

My position on this issue has been consistent, and I have no problem discussing it or defending it. I recognize that other people don't feel the same way and I'm certainly willing to acknowledge any valid points they make. I don't see any point in responding to nonsensical suggestions that my position amounts to "sending my family to Afghanistan to be slaughtered". Talk about smugness . Geez.
I learned that torturing prisoners was wrong years ago in mandatory Law of War classes, and the principles I learned didn't change just because of a terrorist attack. I had close friends working in the Pentagon when the plane hit, and immediate family members who were working close by. If you've been reading this thread, you might have noticed that while AV8 doesn't think waterboarding constitutes to torture, he says he wouldn't have approved it's use because it's beneath our standards as a nation, and I agree with him on that.
What I find most objectionable about your statements is that you sound like you want to torture prisoners not for just for information, but as a form of retribution.
Your belief that everyone would act like you if only they were as scared you are demonstrates how little you know or understand about your fellow Americans. Quite frankly, if I was unsure about the issue of torture and if it's use was justified I would probably listen to a couple Marine Corps Generals over a guy who manages feeders for UPS.

 

[tieguy]

My position on this issue has been consistent, and I have no problem discussing it or defending it. I recognize that other people don't feel the same way and I'm certainly willing to acknowledge any valid points they make. I don't see any point in responding to nonsensical suggestions that my position amounts to "sending my family to Afghanistan to be slaughtered". Talk about smugness . Geez.
I learned that torturing prisoners was wrong years ago in mandatory Law of War classes, and the principles I learned didn't change just because of a terrorist attack. I had close friends working in the Pentagon when the plane hit, and immediate family members who were working close by. If you've been reading this thread, you might have noticed that while AV8 doesn't think waterboarding constitutes to torture, he wouldn't have approved it's use because it's beneath our standards as a nation, and I agree with him on that.
What I find most objectionable about your statements is that you sound like you want to torture prisoners not for just for information, but as a form of retribution.
Your belief that everyone would act like you if only they were as scared you are demonstrates how little you know or understand about your fellow Americans. Quite frankly, if I was unsure about the issue of torture and if it's use was justified I would probably listen to a couple Marine Corps Generals over a guy who manages feeders for UPS.

Again you demonstrated my point.I don't need marine generals to tell me what my position will be. You would not feel the same way if those same terrorists were in your neighborhood threatening your family with their decidly heinous means of warfare.

You would not feel the same way if the torture of those terrorist was the only thing keeping you fromfinding and releasing your family from their grasps.

My position is consistent yours will change depending on the events.

 

[Lue C Fur]

I wonder if Obama would ok torture to find our where the terrorists held is wife or kids if they were taken hostage????

I believe our goverment should do what it takes to keep its citizens safe and it that takes torture then go ahead and do it. The terrorists dont give a crap about who they torture and kill all in the name of Alaha.

 

[av8torntn]

Shame on you for trying to "sugarcoat" waterboarding, suggesting it's on the same plane as friendly military training or a fraternal hazing initiation....now that's mocking! .

Kindly explain to me what you mean I am just not following what you are saying here. I do not know about the fraternal hazing and I did not bring up the fact that certain members of our military do this in training.

 

[tonyexpress]

You might want to take that story from The Sun with a grain of salt. I'm just sayin...QUOTE]


Ok...

[video=youtube;G7RElWMRdRk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RElWMRdRk[/video]



Terrorism Havens: Yemen

 

[wkmac]

Diesel,
You and others continue to live in the past--one of the major problems of our country.
I cannot make Monica a cigar virgin--it is over --I also cannot change the tragic events of pearl harbor nor sept 11th.
I live in todays world --You seem not to get it --I dont care if the President's name today is Obama or Bush.
I am just expecting a basic competancy of the people that are presently responsible for our safety. Let go of the past- this is what you sound like with different words:
Bush was an a---hole so it is fine IF
Obama is an a---hole

Not trying to drag wkmac into this ----but we get dug in so deep left and right -----We can not even see the trees in the forest even while we are pissing on them.
All American's have to wake up ---drop your left and right Blinders !!!

I've said my peace on torture a long time ago and nothing more to add. Besides, you did pretty well IMO with the left/right thingy.

Not that he needs my backup at all but I'd pretty much side with what Jones is saying here on this issue at the risk of me being called a "liberal" AGAIN by a little "barking dog" but my real worry is him being called an anarchist!

 

[av8torntn]

Earlier someone, I'm thinking, linked to an article from the small wars journal. Here is another.

 

[Jones]

Earlier someone, I'm thinking, linked to an article from the small wars journal. Here is another.

Boot's main point seems to be that the use of waterboarding has been exaggerated for political purposes, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. He's also saying that while our forces shouldn't engage in such conduct, we shouldn't stop our allies if they choose to (he makes this point more clearly in the linked article at the bottom left). While I generally agree with that under the principle that it's not our job to dictate internal policy to other countries, I think it gets a little murky when you start talking about rendition. He kinda dances around the question of whether waterboarding is torture or not, I think he just doesn't want to get into it because he doesn't want to argue that specific point with someone like Nance.

 

[Jones]

You might want to take that story from The Sun with a grain of salt. I'm just sayin...

Terrorism Havens: Yemen

I'm not talking about the fact that Yemen is a haven for extremists, I think that's pretty well known. The Sun article further alleges that there are teams of trained terrorists on their way to the UK, where they will await internet orders from AQ on when to strike. There may be something to that, but given The Sun's penchant for hyperbole I would like to hear it from another source. That's what I meant with the grain of salt comment.

 

[tieguy]

I've said my peace on torture a long time ago and nothing more to add. Besides, you did pretty well IMO with the left/right thingy.

Not that he needs my backup at all but I'd pretty much side with what Jones is saying here on this issue at the risk of me being called a "liberal" AGAIN by a little "barking dog" but my real worry is him being called an anarchist!

Its those little barking dogs that allow you the opportunity to sit back and pretend to be so high and mighty.
Those guys in Yemen don't care if you're a libertarian or liberal wannabe and will not afford you the same privledges you're willing to extend them.
In this realm you and others can sit back and pretend to be so sanctimonious. Hopefully you'll never be in a situation where someone close to you could have been saved by the use of waterboarding. Until then please do stand up and show us how you symbollically turn the other cheek safe and secure inside your own borders.

 

[tieguy]

You might want to take that story from The Sun with a grain of salt. I'm just sayin...QUOTE]

Ok...

YouTube- Al Qaeda in Yemen says it is fighting the US - 22 Dec 09

Terrorism Havens: Yemen

I think there may be a mistake in the video. I'm sure the terrorist in this video did not mean wkmac or jonesy or any of their family members when they spoke of killing americans. Surely these fine terroristas know that those guys mean them nothing but the best?

 

[av8torntn]

Boot's main point seems to be that the use of waterboarding has been exaggerated for political purposes, .

Possibly because that is his main point?


I thought we could apply this to McCain since you brought him up.

"Waterboarding has become a tool of political gotcha that demeans serious discussion of the changing values underlying our operational approach to national security. It is politics, not morality, when senators vote their conscience along overwhelmingly party lines."

Of course this little but important phrase kinda helps drive home that point.

"Picking on one technique is a political maneuver."

You seem to imply that he has a fear of taking a different opinion Nance but I think that is not the case as he says:

"Mr. Nance writes that he personally supervised the waterboarding of "hundreds of people". Nothing like that is going on. Nothing. The CIA has said the number of harsh interrogations is very low, implying a figure of perhaps ten to twenty in five years. The senators on the oversight committees have been briefed for years on the specifics. The Senate chose twice not to pass legislation banning waterboarding. Now they have stirred up a ruckus that forces them to take another vote in order to avoid being called hypocrites."


I did not put this article up here to somehow back my view of the debate. I just thought that someone on here had linked to small wars and found that more interesting than anything. Also I don't see many people on there that can be accused of dancing around an opinion.

 

[Dis-organized Labor]

I vote for torture if that's what it takes to protect the innocents.
Maybe these Conventions need to be revisited, now that the art of war has changed so drastically. I think there is also either a ban or a desire for one on land mines. They probably need to revisit that and include IED's (recently coined phrase) and blowing yourself up.
These "agreements" are not with Al Qaeda, but between nations, so why are we supposed to adhere to these rules? Please don't give me "because we're civilized". If I was on an airplane and I saw a guy with a bomb I would kill him with any means possible. I wouldn't bother with thinking of subduing him, because "it's the humane thing to do". I'd snap his freaking head off. I state it like this not to act tough, but because that is the seriousness of it all. If you were trained to box in the 1960's and you found yourself in an MMA battle, would you stick with the old strategy because Boxer's don't kick???

 

[tieguy]

Good points. Unfortunately we are hell and bent and determined to apply archery rules to wrestling and thus we will never win the war against terror. I guess we can console ourselves in the fact that we play by a different set of rules each time the terrorists takes out our women and children.

 

[wkmac]

In my opinion you just don't get it. I'm not looking for some moral victory with terrorist. My wife and my kids dying with honor at the hands of a terrorist does not make me feel any better about their deaths.

Again you demonstrated my point.I don't need marine generals to tell me what my position will be. You would not feel the same way if those same terrorists were in your neighborhood threatening your family with their decidly heinous means of warfare.

You would not feel the same way if the torture of those terrorist was the only thing keeping you fromfinding and releasing your family from their grasps.

My position is consistent yours will change depending on the events.

Its those little barking dogs that allow you the opportunity to sit back and pretend to be so high and mighty.
Those guys in Yemen don't care if you're a libertarian or liberal wannabe and will not afford you the same privledges you're willing to extend them.
In this realm you and others can sit back and pretend to be so sanctimonious. Hopefully you'll never be in a situation where someone close to you could have been saved by the use of waterboarding. Until then please do stand up and show us how you symbollically turn the other cheek safe and secure inside your own borders.

I think there may be a mistake in the video. I'm sure the terrorist in this video did not mean wkmac or jonesy or any of their family members when they spoke of killing americans. Surely these fine terroristas know that those guys mean them nothing but the best?

Good points. Unfortunately we are hell and bent and determined to apply archery rules to wrestling and thus we will never win the war against terror. I guess we can console ourselves in the fact that we play by a different set of rules each time the terrorists takes out our women and children.

The Safes - The Sky Is Falling

Porky Pig Cartoon Ending "That's All Folks!"

 

[toonertoo]

Diesel,
You and others continue to live in the past--one of the major problems of our country.
I cannot make Monica a cigar virgin--it is over --I also cannot change the tragic events of pearl harbor nor sept 11th.
I live in todays world --You seem not to get it --I dont care if the President's name today is Obama or Bush.
I am just expecting a basic competancy of the people that are presently responsible for our safety. Let go of the past- this is what you sound like with different words:
Bush was an a---hole so it is fine IF
Obama is an a---hole

Not trying to drag wkmac into this ----but we get dug in so deep left and right -----We can not even see the trees in the forest even while we are pissing on them.
All American's have to wake up ---drop your left and right Blinders !!!

I think they are all buttholes. We the people have allowed them to become such.
They work for us, presently I think they are working for the man on the moon. We need to fire them as soon as possible. Until then we need to fight them anyway we can.
Im so sick of feeling helpless, I wish I had my head buried in the sand so I wouldnt know.

 

[wkmac]

The Odds
Ever wondered?

Odds of bowling a 300 game: 11,500 to 1

Odds of getting a hole in one: 5,000 to 1

Odds of getting canonized: 20,000,000 to 1

Odds of winning an Olympic medal: 662,000 to 1

Odds that a person between the age of 18 and 29 does NOT read a newspaper regularly: 3 to 1

Odds that an American adult does not want to live to age 120 under any circumstances: 3 to 2

Odds of injury from fireworks: 19,556 to 1

Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1

Odds of injury from using a chain saw: 4,464 to 1

Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1

Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1

Odds of drowning in a bathtub: 685,000 to 1

Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1

Odds of being killed in any sort of non-transportation accident: 69 to 1

Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1

Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1

Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1

Odds of getting away with murder: 2 to 1

Odds of being the victim of serious crime in your lifetime: 20 to 1

Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1

Odds of being considered possessed by Satan: 7,000 to 1

Odds that a first marriage will survive without separation or divorce for 15 years: 1.3 to 1

Odds of getting hemorrhoids: 25 to 1

Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1

Odds of being audited by the IRS: 175 to 1

Odds of having your identity stolen: 200 to 1

Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1

Odds of finding out your child is a genius: 250 to 1

Odds of catching a ball at a major league ballgame: 563 to 1

Odds of becoming a pro athlete: 22,000 to 1

Odds of finding a four-leaf clover on first try: 10,000 to 1

Odds of a person in the military winning the Medal of Honor: 11,000 to 1

Odds of winning an Academy Award: 11,500 to 1

Odds of getting a royal flush in poker on first five cards dealt: 649,740 to 1

Odds of spotting a UFO today: 3,000,000 to 1

Odds of becoming president: 10,000,000 to 1

Odds of a meteor landing on your house: 182,138,880,000,000 to 1

Chance of dying from any kind of injury during the next year: 1 in 1,820

Chance of dying from intentional self-harm: 1 in 9,380

Chance of dying from an assault: 1 in 16,421

Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585

Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666

Chance of dying from accidental drowning: 1 in 79,065

Chance of dying from exposure to smoke, fire, and flames: 1 in 81,524

Chance of dying in an explosion: 1 in 107,787

Chance that Earth will experience a catastrophic collision with an asteroid in the next 100 years: 1 in 5,000

Chance of dying from exposure to forces of nature (heat, cold, lightning, earthquake, flood): 1 in 225,107

Chance of dying in an airplane accident: 1 in 354,319

Chance of dying from choking on food: 1 in 370,035

Chance of dying in a terrorist attack while visiting a foreign country: 1 in 650,000

Chance of dying in a fireworks accident: 1 in 1,000,000

Chance of dying from overexertion, travel or privation: 1 in 1,428,377

Chance of dying from food poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000

Chance of dying from legal execution: 1 in 3,441,325

Chance of dying from contact with hot tap water: 1 in 5,005,564

Chance of dying from parts falling off an airplane: 1 in 10,000,000

Chance of dying from ignition or melting of nightwear: 1 in 30,589,556

Chance of dying from being bitten by a dog: 1 in 700,000

Chance of dying from contact with a venomous animal or plant: 1 in 3,441,325

Chance of dying from being bitten or struck by mammals (other than dogs or humans): 1 in 4,235,477

Chance of winning a bingo game where 100 players manage four cards each: 1 in 100

Chance of dying from a mountain lion attack in California: 1 in 32,000,000

Chance of dying from a shark attack: 1 in 300,000,000

Chance of having a stroke: 1 in 6

Chance of dying from heart disease: 1 in 3

Chance of getting arthritis: 1 in 7

Chance of suffering from asthma or allergy diseases: 1 in 6

Chance of getting the flu this year: 1 in 10

Chance of contracting the human version of mad cow disease: 1 in 40,000,000

Chance of dying from SARS in the United States: 1 in 100,000,000

Chance of American man developing cancer in his lifetime: 1 in 2

Chance of an American woman developing cancer in her lifetime: 1 in 3

Chance of getting prostate cancer: 1 in 6

Chance of getting breast cancer: 1 in 9

Chance of getting colon / rectal cancer: 1 in 26

Chance of beating pancreatic or liver cancer: 1 in 9

Chance of beating thyroid or testicular cancer: 9 in 10

source

2007' Ohio State study on probability factors of being a victim of a domestic terror attack.

Between heart disease, stroke, cancer or Satan, seems Osama bin Laden and the Al Qaeda crew are the least of my worries going by the numbers!