Raise in new contract

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Still no re-broadcast, smh

I was looking for that myself.
I couldn't even find it on YouTube

 

[9.5mania]

Took one day of economic proposals and we’ve walked away from the table.

You never take the first offer while negotiating, the company will cave in the end.

 

[Brownslave688]

You never take the first offer while negotiating, the company will cave in the end.

It’s not really about taking the first offer.

While walking away isn’t a great look I don’t necessarily disagree with it. SOB has told the company from day one these negotiations won’t be done like previous ones. We aren’t going to waste days or weeks negotiating from positions that are light years apart.

We put together strong but fair proposals and will negotiate as long as there are reasonable counter proposals. When the company comes back with something dumb like 50 cent raises it’s a non starter. So come back when you’re serious.

 

[100%]

The call last night had a lot of positive developments that effect my workgroup. Increase in penalty pay for 9.5's and 8hr request, removing in cab camera, no discipline on tech. These are all things on my list to be addressed and they were. We aren't living in reality if we think the union can tell the company our guys are no longer working overtime anymore unless they want it. That's not how this works, as unpopular as it may be to say. The only thing the union can do is make it cost the company to work guys if they don't want it, which they are doing. Yes, they campaigned on no forced overtime but obviously that's politician talk, which they are. Their definition of forced overtime isn't ours. Everything agreed so far has been good, not great. If we get the raises during this contract to be between $7.5-$10, increase pension, keep insurance premiums $0, this master's will pass, and it should. I would like to see insurance age drop from 57yrs to 55yrs, but I can wait another contract for that. Yes, it isn't perfect, but so far, so good.

If they can dispatch 9.5 they can dispatch 8. Come back to reality fruit cake. You’re in you’re own twilight zone.

 

[HyperBrn]

You never take the first offer while negotiating, the company will cave in the end.

I am honestly not surprised at the turn of events. SoB should have let the company submit its proposal first though. 1st rule of negotiation: make the other side offer FIRST.

The company responding with such a paltry offer (based on what the update said) just shows they don't take the union's proposal seriously.

 

[100%]

He didn't run on ending forced overtime. Didn't really pay attention, did you?



Uh, no. That was not his campaign promise.



He didn't.



Don't give him the benefit of the doubt. He wants to strike over a campaign promise from O'Brien that O'Brien never promised.

Good Lord. Talk about the uninformed.

End forced OT!

 

[9.5mania]

9.5 is an 1.5 of OT. If your on the list then you should never be dispatched over 9.5 hours

While I do agree with you, it just isn't feasible with how UPS dispatches. Their numbers are all wrong regarding planned days and they think we are all stealing time. The only way to insure all drivers on the 9.5 list never work over 9.5 is to trust us and allow us to bring those pkgs back, which will never happen.

 

[Pullman Brown]

End forced OT!

This company has always had overtime but I make a distinction between that and the six punch circus show that has been going on for yeeeeeeears!!!! That he has been very vocal about, and not to mention it was high up there in survey issues.

 

[HyperBrn]

While I do agree with you, it just isn't feasible with how UPS dispatches. Their numbers are all wrong regarding planned days and they think we are all stealing time. The only way to insure all drivers on the 9.5 list never work over 9.5 is to trust us and allow us to bring those pkgs back, which will never happen.

There's no reason that dispatch can't be held accountable/responsible for dispatching drivers fairly.

For example, why are some drivers dispatched in a way that they can get their route done in 7 hrs, take a code 5 and go home, while others are dispatched where they are ALWAYS working 10-12hr days? Don't management have enough tools and metrics that detail which drivers are typically under-allowed and which drivers are typically over allowed so that they can adjust the dispatches to make it more even across the board?

Sure, you'll say "What about drivers that run and gun, or drivers that sandbag." Well that's what OJS/Route survey ride alongs are designed to weed out right?

From what I heard, dispatch is incredibly hamstrung with respect to how much control they have on how they configure the routes. And if that's the case, all of our whining and moaning about dispatch being unbalanced (even mine above) falls on deaf ears because there's friend'all they can do about it even if they wanted to.

IMHO why can't we have something written in the contract that states that a fair day's work amounts to a 9 hour(or another objectively chosen time) dispatch, based on the type of route (urban/rural/business/resi/etc) and capability of the driver assigned to the route.

And language in the 9.5 grievance section that states that any more than X number of "paid out" 9.5 grievances in Y weeks based on being over dispatched will trigger an automatic adjustment of dispatch to be reduced by the average length of time the employee is over 9.5.

Anyways, I'm rambling now. TL;DR - the new penalties for 9.5 sounds good but I think more can be done in the contract to help force management/company to take steps beyond paying us out to fix our dispatches.

 

[RangerMan06]

There's no reason that dispatch can't be held accountable/responsible for dispatching drivers fairly.

For example, why are some drivers dispatched in a way that they can get their route done in 7 hrs, take a code 5 and go home, while others are dispatched where they are ALWAYS working 10-12hr days? Don't management have enough tools and metrics that detail which drivers are typically under-allowed and which drivers are typically over allowed so that they can adjust the dispatches to make it more even across the board?

Sure, you'll say "What about drivers that run and gun, or drivers that sandbag." Well that's what OJS/Route survey ride alongs are designed to weed out right?

From what I heard, dispatch is incredibly hamstrung with respect to how much control they have on how they configure the routes. And if that's the case, all of our whining and moaning about dispatch being unbalanced (even mine above) falls on deaf ears because there's friend'all they can do about it even if they wanted to.

IMHO why can't we have something written in the contract that states that a fair day's work amounts to a 9 hour(or another objectively chosen time) dispatch, based on the type of route (urban/rural/business/resi/etc) and capability of the driver assigned to the route.

And language in the 9.5 grievance section that states that any more than X number of "paid out" 9.5 grievances in Y weeks based on being over dispatched will trigger an automatic adjustment of dispatch to be reduced by the average length of time the employee is over 9.5.

Anyways, I'm rambling now. TL;DR - the new penalties for 9.5 sounds good but I think more can be done in the contract to help force management/company to take steps beyond paying us out to fix our dispatches.

Very well said. If our members and union reps would grow a set there is no reason this can't be accomplished.

 

[9.5mania]

Very well said. If our members and union reps would grow a set there is no reason this can't be accomplished.

I don't think the problem is with members, the union isn't as strong as they used to be. I remember 21yrs ago, when the union business agent came for a visit, every manager and supervisor were scared to death. Now, they could care less. Maybe a strike will get their minds right again.

 

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[RangerMan06]

I don't think the problem is with members, the union isn't as strong as they used to be. I remember 21yrs ago, when the union business agent came for a visit, every manager and supervisor were scared to death. Now, they could care less. Maybe a strike will get their minds right again.

About half our members think this is the best contract ever because SOB says so. I think they are so scared to strike they would Vote YES even with no raise and worse working conditions. So far this contract blows

 

[HyperBrn]

About half our members think this is the best contract ever because SOB says so. I think they are so scared to strike they would Vote YES even with no raise and worse working conditions. So far this contract blows

Is the reason I hope the IBT does not cave in. The flock will follow their leaders. And if the leadership caves, the rank and file will follow.

 

[rebelsss]

He should probably be ignored at this point, along with a few others. Anyone who thinks we’re getting $8 -$10 dollars an hour August 1 plus a two dollar raise every year isn’t living in reality.

Let's see. 8.00 x 40hr = 320. 320 x 52 weeks = 16,640 a year extra. About 95,000 rpcd( I'm way over being nice) 95,000 x $16,640 = 1.5 billion dollars a year for every driver. UPS profits 13 billion dollars a year. You are not in reality. Wake up kid.

 

[MostHelpNeeded]

Let's see. 8.00 x 40hr = 320. 320 x 52 weeks = 16,640 a year extra. About 95,000 rpcd( I'm way over being nice) 95,000 x $16,640 = 1.5 billion dollars a year for every driver. UPS profits 13 billion dollars a year. You are not in reality. Wake up kid.

I get where you're coming from, but it's a little one sided.

UPS takes in around 100 billion a year. Of that, last year they profited 13 Billion, this is true.

To keep this really simple, and to use your example, Suppose UPS simply spent 1.5 Billion less on stock buyback last year. Boom, raise covered and 13 billion profit retained.

It's about allocation.

 

[HyperBrn]

I get where you're coming from, but it's a little one sided.

UPS takes in around 100 billion a year. Of that, last year they profited 13 Billion, this is true.

To keep this really simple, and to use your example, Suppose UPS simply spent 1.5 Billion less on stock buyback last year. Boom, raise covered and 13 billion profit retained.

It's about allocation.

But 1.5B less stock buybacks means less money for the shareholders.. That's a cardinal sin. You've now been officially fired!

 

[Trucker Clock]

He absolutely did run on it and the union made statements on it during the strike authorization vote that you can google yourself but here is one screenshot.

O’Brien ran on ending forced excessive OT. Some quotes just refer to forced OT because O’Brien and the Union agree that a package driver can work up to 9 1/2 hours per day.

That 1 1/2 hours OT after your 8 hours is not considered forced OT. Hours worked over 9.5 on multiple days of the week is the forced OT he ran on.

He never ran on eliminating OT, eliminating working past 8 hours.

 

[Brownslave688]

I don't think the problem is with members, the union isn't as strong as they used to be. I remember 21yrs ago, when the union business agent came for a visit, every manager and supervisor were scared to death. Now, they could care less. Maybe a strike will get their minds right again.

Our BA has been close friends with the labor manager outside of work for many year. No one shaking when our BA shows up for sure. Lol

 

[Coldworld]

Still no re-broadcast, smh

Hopefully this weekend.