Religion

[UnionStrong]

There is no God and no Jesus. It's that simple.

 

[Integrity]

There is no God and no Jesus. It's that simple.

I’m sure a lot of people agree with your opinion and belief but I know that a lot of people disagree with your opinion and believe in God and Jesus.

I know I believe.

Peace be with you.

 

[UnionStrong]

I’m sure a lot of people agree with your opinion and belief but I know that a lot of people disagree with your opinion and believe in God and Jesus.

I know I believe.

Peace be with you.

Psalm 14.1 “The fool says in his heart, there is no God”

 

[MrFedEx]

Psalm 14.1 “The fool says in his heart, there is no God”

Great. That means...nothing. Of course a book about your God would have a passage in it saying that. All holy books have similar verbiage in order to invoke fear and obedience. Nobody really addressed the issue I posited, which was Christians wanting to impose their beliefs and values upon the rest of us who are not Christian. You rail against the popular vote and then invoke it because a "majority" of Americans are Christian. I really don't care what god you believe in, but I do care if you want to impose that god's rules upon me. I got a bunch of witnessing and professions of faith, but no real answer as to why the rest of us need to read only the books you say are OK, not have sex before marriage or with the same sex, and generally follow YOUR faith etc.

I don't hate anyone for their religious beliefs, but I do intensely dislike being expected to abide by their Code of Conduct, and watch the laws of a supposedly free country be subverted to comply and conform with Christianity. Loading the Supreme Court to get your way, making school boards Right Wing, denigrating public education, and trying to insert your religion via charter schools and voucher systems is disturbing at best. You really want a theocracy. Admit it. And you want Trump to be your leader. Amazing.

Maybe my religion requires me to have sex before marriage, be open to people who have other ideas about what sexuality means, and to read books that expose me to alternative ideas and theories. It also requires me to not impose my belief system upon others or to leverage our political system in order to give my religion preferential treatment. My "church" pays taxes, and does not allow believers to make money an integral part of the religion. In fact, we are not expected or even allowed to donate lest our religion become tainted by greed and avarice. And, yes, it requires me to believe in Science and actually be able to provide evidence and proof for statements I make and believe.

And, Hitler was a Christian. Nobody likes to say that, but he was, and he thought he was doing God's work. The whole build up to The Third Reich has eerie parallels to Trumpism and the Religious Right, none of which seems to concern any of you. Try reading sometimes to expand your horizons and do a little research into how the rise of the Religious Right today compares with the way Nazis rose to power in Germany

You won't, and you also won't address the issues I just presented. Please, more witnessing, because you'll score points with Sky Daddy.

 

[vantexan]

Prove me wrong.

What you and your Right Wing friends want is a Christian country governed by Christian standards of morality. In essence, a Christian theocracy where non-Christian values are not tolerated. Hey, guess what? Maybe, I DO want textbooks to be historically accurate, the accomplishments of LGBTQ and other minorities acknowledged, and maybe MY God has 4 heads, flies around in a UFO, and has a husband. That's what "Freedom of Religion" means, but not to you. In AR-15 Jesus World, there is only 1 "god" and everybody has to abide by YOUR rules and YOUR standards. Maybe, I'm OK with my kid being exposed to "dangerous" books and learning about sex before they do something stupid. Maybe a book about gay penguins is just fine because evil science has proven that homosexuality is actually common in the animal world (we are animals too BTW). Maybe some of us want SCIENCE to be taught without the taint of creationism hanging over reality, but, no, we all have to think and behave according to your puritanical standards. And you're too ignorant to see your own glaring hypocrisy.

Banning and burning books is fine, gutting liberal colleges and installing GOP Far Right stooges to leadership posts is fine, and making-up Biblical justifications for changing our laws is OK too. Adolf Hitler (a fine Christian) would be so proud you are performing his work for him and supporting a clearly non-Christian man to be the dictatorial leader of the new United States of Christ.

Can I ask you some questions? When the Roe vs Wade ruling happened in '73 what was the broad Christian response? Not the actions of a few but the overall response? Did we put armies in the field? Put millions in reeducation camps? Ended up with over 60 million abortions. And did overturning Roe vs Wade stop abortion? It seems that the Christian response was and is to try to win hearts and minds by reasoning with abortion advocates. There was no civil war, no theocracy imposed. In spite of God being taken out of schools, local governments being forced to remove Christian symbolism, etc the Christian response has just been to love their neighbors and try to get along.

Now contrast that with atheist political movements around the world. Untold millions slaughtered, millions "reeducated", billions reduced to living in poverty for decades. It seems the Left always accuses the Right of what they're actually doing. And it's not enough that you want to live as you want without any religious restrictions placed on you. You can't stand that others want to live the Christian life. It eats at you. If they aren't doing what you're doing they must be eliminated.

Do you know what I believe is the reason Roe vs Wade got overturned? It wasn't enough to just have abortions for advocates. They started demanding abortions in the third trimester up to just before birth. A fully formed baby being killed. And if a baby managed to survive an abortion attempt and be born alive they were advocating that the baby be killed because that was what the mother wanted. That's been the hallmark of your side. Always pushing for more. You got gay marriage. Christians consider marriage to be between a man and a woman. Did we riot in the streets? But that wasn't enough. Now in the span of a decade you're demanding young men be allowed to expose themselves in locker rooms with young women. Pose as females to play and dominate girls sports. Put on very lascivious drag queen shows simulating sex acts in front of small children. It never stops. Yet if we don't like it, speak out against it, we're fanatics who want a theocracy. Never mind your constant pushing to put out in the open what used to only found in gay nightclubs.

By the way many historians from major universities have pointed out the inaccuracies of "The 1619 Project", an integral part of Critical Race Theory teaching. I'm 100% for historical accuracy too. Not revisionist history to push a political agenda. Not a divisive curriculum meant to punish one race for the sins of their forefathers. No glossing over what whites did to other races or what blacks are doing to their own race now. Truth telling means telling it all, not selective editing nor complete fabrication of falsehood.

And for the Christian appeasers out there. You absolutely must love thy neighbor as thyself. And you must stand up to evil. Or do you shrug and say oh well when tens of millions are slaughtered? Those tens of millions would probably have appreciated you defending them as strongly as you do the right of atheists to have depictions of sex acts in literature in public libraries. Chase God out of schools but allow vivid descriptions of girls performing oral sex or boys having intercourse with other boys. Jesus showed us a better way but he never told us don't stand up to evil. If we hadn't, Hitler would've won and the slaughter of innocents would've continued. That's where you draw the line, when evil is advocated. Not way down the line.

 

[MrFedEx]

Can I ask you some questions? When the Roe vs Wade ruling happened in '73 what was the broad Christian response? Not the actions of a few but the overall response? Did we put armies in the field? Put millions in reeducation camps? Ended up with over 60 million abortions. And did overturning Roe vs Wade stop abortion? It seems that the Christian response was and is to try to win hearts and minds by reasoning with abortion advocates. There was no civil war, no theocracy imposed. In spite of God being taken out of schools, local governments being forced to remove Christian symbolism, etc the Christian response has just been to love their neighbors and try to get along.

Now contrast that with atheist political movements around the world. Untold millions slaughtered, millions "reeducated", billions reduced to living in poverty for decades. It seems the Left always accuses the Right of what they're actually doing. And it's not enough that you want to live as you want without any religious restrictions placed on you. You can't stand that others want to live the Christian life. It eats at you. If they aren't doing what you're doing they must be eliminated.

Do you know what I believe is the reason Roe vs Wade got overturned? It wasn't enough to just have abortions for advocates. They started demanding abortions in the third trimester up to just before birth. A fully formed baby being killed. And if a baby managed to survive an abortion attempt and be born alive they were advocating that the baby be killed because that was what the mother wanted. That's been the hallmark of your side. Always pushing for more. You got gay marriage. Christians consider marriage to be between a man and a woman. Did we riot in the streets? But that wasn't enough. Now in the span of a decade you're demanding young men be allowed to expose themselves in locker rooms with young women. Pose as females to play and dominate girls sports. Put on very lascivious drag queen shows simulating sex acts in front of small children. It never stops. Yet if we don't like it, speak out against it, we're fanatics who want a theocracy. Never mind your constant pushing to put out in the open what used to only found in gay nightclubs.

By the way many historians from major universities have pointed out the inaccuracies of "The 1619 Project", an integral part of Critical Race Theory teaching. I'm 100% for historical accuracy too. Not revisionist history to push a political agenda. Not a divisive curriculum meant to punish one race for the sins of their forefathers. No glossing over what whites did to other races or what blacks are doing to their own race now. Truth telling means telling it all, not selective editing nor complete fabrication of falsehood.

And for the Christian appeasers out there. You absolutely must love thy neighbor as thyself. And you must stand up to evil. Or do you shrug and say oh well when tens of millions are slaughtered? Those tens of millions would probably have appreciated you defending them as strongly as you do the right of atheists to have depictions of sex acts in literature in public libraries. Chase God out of schools but allow vivid descriptions of girls performing oral sex or boys having intercourse with other boys. Jesus showed us a better way but he never told us don't stand up to evil. If we hadn't, Hitler would've won and the slaughter of innocents would've continued. That's where you draw the line, when evil is advocated. Not way down the line.

You lost all credibility when you claimed full term abortions.

 

[vantexan]

You lost all credibility when you claimed full term abortions.

Nope, have seen abortion proponents including Hillary advocate for that.

 

[MrFedEx]

Nope, have seen abortion proponents including Hillary advocate for that.

You act like it’s Liberal dogma. It isn’t.

 

[Fred's Myth]

You lost all credibility when you claimed full term abortions.

Your credibility has failed you.

"Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal."

"In 1995... the Ohio state legislature also passed the first state ban, but it was struck down by a federal district court; the Supreme Court later refused to hear an appeal.) "

"Two abortion physicians, one in Ohio and one in California, independently developed variations on the method by extracting the fetus intact. The Ohio physician, Martin Haskell, called his method "dilation and extraction," or D&X. It involved dilating the woman's cervix, then pulling the fetus through it feet first until only the head remained inside. Using scissors or another sharp instrument, the head was then punctured, and the skull compressed, so it, too, could fit through the dilated cervix. "

NPR.org

 

[UnionStrong]

Great. That means...nothing. Of course a book about your God would have a passage in it saying that. All holy books have similar verbiage in order to invoke fear and obedience. Nobody really addressed the issue I posited, which was Christians wanting to impose their beliefs and values upon the rest of us who are not Christian. You rail against the popular vote and then invoke it because a "majority" of Americans are Christian. I really don't care what god you believe in, but I do care if you want to impose that god's rules upon me. I got a bunch of witnessing and professions of faith, but no real answer as to why the rest of us need to read only the books you say are OK, not have sex before marriage or with the same sex, and generally follow YOUR faith etc.

I don't hate anyone for their religious beliefs, but I do intensely dislike being expected to abide by their Code of Conduct, and watch the laws of a supposedly free country be subverted to comply and conform with Christianity. Loading the Supreme Court to get your way, making school boards Right Wing, denigrating public education, and trying to insert your religion via charter schools and voucher systems is disturbing at best. You really want a theocracy. Admit it. And you want Trump to be your leader. Amazing.

Maybe my religion requires me to have sex before marriage, be open to people who have other ideas about what sexuality means, and to read books that expose me to alternative ideas and theories. It also requires me to not impose my belief system upon others or to leverage our political system in order to give my religion preferential treatment. My "church" pays taxes, and does not allow believers to make money an integral part of the religion. In fact, we are not expected or even allowed to donate lest our religion become tainted by greed and avarice. And, yes, it requires me to believe in Science and actually be able to provide evidence and proof for statements I make and believe.

And, Hitler was a Christian. Nobody likes to say that, but he was, and he thought he was doing God's work. The whole build up to The Third Reich has eerie parallels to Trumpism and the Religious Right, none of which seems to concern any of you. Try reading sometimes to expand your horizons and do a little research into how the rise of the Religious Right today compares with the way Nazis rose to power in Germany

You won't, and you also won't address the issues I just presented. Please, more witnessing, because you'll score points with Sky Daddy.

 

[UnionStrong]

You lost all credibility when you claimed full term abortions.

 

[Fred's Myth]

 

[vantexan]

You act like it’s Liberal dogma. It isn’t.

I'm saying it alarmed enough people that several states passed legislation as to when an abortion could take place and ultimately the Supreme Court put regulating abortion back to the States as it always should've been. Things don't exist in a vacuum. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.

 

[qdg2]

You act like it’s Liberal dogma. It isn’t.

This statement is intellectually dishonest.

This statement is a bedrock example of Liberals doing one thing and saying another. Why? Obviously because the horrors of truth can't be covered up by a 100% Liberal mainstream media.

Liberal "dogma" is on full display.......left, far-left.......communist, socialist, liberal Democrat. This is settled history and currency.
The group(communist/socialist) leading the Democrat party is about 5-10%.

If there had been anyone in the Republican party besides Trump and the blatant election fraud......we(USA) wouldn't be in this dire situation.

 

[MrFedEx]

Your credibility has failed you.

"Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal."

"In 1995... the Ohio state legislature also passed the first state ban, but it was struck down by a federal district court; the Supreme Court later refused to hear an appeal.) "

"Two abortion physicians, one in Ohio and one in California, independently developed variations on the method by extracting the fetus intact. The Ohio physician, Martin Haskell, called his method "dilation and extraction," or D&X. It involved dilating the woman's cervix, then pulling the fetus through it feet first until only the head remained inside. Using scissors or another sharp instrument, the head was then punctured, and the skull compressed, so it, too, could fit through the dilated cervix. "

NPR.org

Yours has failed you because you fail to mention the age of the fetus.

 

[UnionStrong]

Yours has failed you because you fail to mention the age of the fetus.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Yours has failed you because you fail to mention the age of the fetus.

You could be right, how old ARE you? Maybe it’s not too late for a late term in your case.

 

[El Correcto]

I can understand how you may have misunderstood.

Have you ever in your life felt broken in spirit or in mood, depressed, down hearted, downcast or some other similar type of attitude or feeling in your life?

Yeah look up panic attacks and panic disorder. I started suffering from that in my late teens early twenties. I’ve had over a hundred panic attacks, two of which I had someone drive me to the hospital for thinking I was truly dying this time, one of them I lost consciousness from and hit my head on the way down pretty damn hard. Woke up with blood coming out of my forehead in the back seat of a friend’s car.

It’s a feeling of intense fear that causes physical and mental symptoms. It breaks you from reality first and then gets to work convincing you you are literally dying.

It’s not the most debilitating mental illness, like some of the schizophrenia or manic depressions can be, but it is still a huge mind . Passing out from a panic attack is considered really rare and I kind of enjoyed that experience. I picture that’s what death will feel like. Tunneling vision, numbness, noise around you sounding like it’s far away and then fade to black.

Also I haven’t suffered an intense panic attack in years. Mainly thanks to meditation and what they will teach you in cbt therapy which I suggested to you not as an insult but as something I have done before off and on.

 

[Integrity]

Yeah look up panic attacks and panic disorder. I started suffering from that in my late teens early twenties. I’ve had over a hundred panic attacks, two of which I had someone drive me to the hospital for thinking I was truly dying this time, one of them I lost consciousness from and hit my head on the way down pretty damn hard. Woke up with blood coming out of my forehead in the back seat of a friend’s car.

It’s a feeling of intense fear that causes physical and mental symptoms. It breaks you from reality first and then gets to work convincing you you are literally dying.

It’s not the most debilitating mental illness, like some of the schizophrenia or manic depressions can be, but it is still a huge mind . Passing out from a panic attack is considered really rare and I kind of enjoyed that experience. I picture that’s what death will feel like. Tunneling vision, numbness, noise around you sounding like it’s far away and then fade to black.

Also I haven’t suffered an intense panic attack in years. Mainly thanks to meditation and what they will teach you in cbt therapy which I suggested to you not as an insult but as something I have done before off and on.

Thanks for sharing.

I utilize and have been utilizing CBT therapy as part of my daily spiritual, mental and physical program for over 30 years.

IMO and experience It is a wonderful tool to assist in healthy living.

 

[rickyb]