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vantexan

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Do you love money?
If I defend the right of corporations to exist does that mean I love money?

Let me make some things clear to you. Even though I was offered to go into management at FedEx several times I didn't because I view that company as basically dishonest. They're willing to pad their profits by lying to people that better pay is coming, just hang in there. But they only wanted to string us along while they built up FedEx Ground to increase profits. And are now in the process of shedding regular employees in favor of low pay, no benefit contractor employees.

If I loved money I would have left FedEx a long time ago.

I have gotten by on a $22k pension with the occasional temp job for 7 years. During that time I paid for my elderly father's tv service. I gave my mother $150 a month. I paid off my wife's debts other than her mortgage that she brought into our marriage 10 years ago. That was $8k. I paid $7k for a bathroom remodel we needed because she caused a flood in our home. I now give our mother $200 a month and pay for my dad's internet and his annual newspaper subscription. Luckily for me my SS just started and Capital One gave me my first SS payment today, two days early. In a few minutes I will be calling a medical office to give them $500 as I strive to finally get my debts paid from having a heart attack in 2022. I will be spending all of my newfound wealth to throw at bills this year with hopes of paying off my debt and saving some money as my FedEx pension drops from $1840 a month to $117 a month when I turn 67.

So does that sound like I'm so in love with money that I greedily keep it all for myself? My brother's income is almost 4 times what mine is and his wife makes even more. Yet he refuses to help my mother other than a few hundred dollars a couple of times over the years. She's 80 and her SS income puts her right at the poverty line. My dad and I(They've been divorced 52 years) give her $350 a month and she gets food stamps.

So let me ask, do you know enough about how markets work to say that UPS is evil as you said the other day? You'd not have much luck finding any large corporation giving hundreds of thousands of employees that much income and good benefits while dealing with the demands of stockholders and stiff competition from other companies wanting that market share. These ideas some indulge in thinking there's a better system out there have led some countries down terrible paths and you can't point to one purely socialist country that has been successful. Do you love money so much that you are willing to destroy our system, risking putting billions of people in poverty, just to find that fair and just is anything but that? And are you willing to give honest answers to these questions or will you ignore them out of fear of looking bad?
 
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FromOffTheStreets

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Yesterday at one of the worship services I attended the Pastor said this during the message:


“You cannot keep one foot in the world and one foot in God’s kingdom and still consider yourself a disciple of Christ.”

The topic of the message was discipleship.

I can’t agree this statement. I have heard this before but in my experience “all or nothing thinking” is a cognitive distortion that is dangerous and has always been counterproductive to my spiritual growth.
That's because it comes from Jesus who said you can't serve 2 masters. If you knew Jesus you would accept his statement
 

Integrity

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If I defend the right of corporations to exist does that mean I love money?

Let me make some things clear to you. Even though I was offered to go into management at FedEx several times I didn't because I view that company as basically dishonest. They're willing to pad their profits by lying to people that better pay is coming, just hang in there. But they only wanted to string us along while they built up FedEx Ground to increase profits. And are now in the process of shedding regular employees in favor of low pay, no benefit contractor employees.

If I loved money I would have left FedEx a long time ago.

I have gotten by on a $22k pension with the occasional temp job for 7 years. During that time I paid for my elderly father's tv service. I gave my mother $150 a month. I paid off my wife's debts other than her mortgage that she brought into our marriage 10 years ago. That was $8k. I paid $7k for a bathroom remodel we needed because she caused a flood in our home. I now give my mother $200 a month and pay for my dad's internet and his annual newspaper subscription. Luckily for me my SS just started and Capital One gave me my first SS payment today, two days early. In a few minutes I will be calling a medical office to give them $500 as I strive to finally get my debts paid from having a heart attack in 2022. I will be spending all of my newfound wealth to throw at bills this year with hopes of paying off my debt and saving some money as my FedEx pension drops from $1840 a month to $117 a month when I turn 67.

So does that sound like I'm so in love with money that I greedily keep it all for myself? My brother's income is almost 4 times what mine is and his wife makes even more. Yet he refuses to help my mother other than a few hundred dollars a couple of times over the years. She's 80 and her SS income puts her right at the poverty line. My dad and I(They've been divorced 52 years) give her $350 a month and she gets food stamps.

So let me ask, do you know enough about how markets work to say that UPS is evil as you said the other day? You'd not have much luck finding any large corporation giving hundreds of thousands of employees that much income and good benefits while dealing with the demands of stockholders and stiff competition from other companies wanting that market share. These ideas some indulge in thinking there's a better system out there have led some countries down terrible paths and you can't point to one purely socialist country that has been successful. Do you love money so much that you are willing to destroy our system, risking putting billions of people in poverty, just to find that fair and just is anything but that? And are you willing to give honest answers to these questions or will you ignore them out of fear of looking bad?

Do you love money?
I’ll take that as a no.
 

vantexan

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I’ll take that as a no.
As usual you deflect from the failings of your personal views. You think you have some inside track with God that makes your views correct. Yet your views never reflect the reality of how everything works. And yet you have the nerve to ask others if they love money.
 

Integrity

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As usual you deflect from the failings of your personal views. You think you have some inside track with God that makes your views correct. Yet your views never reflect the reality of how everything works. And yet you have the nerve to ask others if they love money.
I don’t mind if you ask me if I love money.

Sorry it bothered you.
 

Integrity

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The irony of quoting a few verses to bolster your argument but refusing to accept the scriptures quoting Jesus if not in line with your personal views.
Those verses were not cited in the message to support the Pastors satiate ment.

After reading them I can see why he didn’t use them. I don’t believe they support his “all or nothing” thinking statement.
 

vantexan

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Those verses were not cited in the message to support the Pastors satiate ment.

After reading them I can see why he didn’t use them. I don’t believe they support his “all or nothing” thinking statement.
I'm talking about how you cherry pick verses out of context to bolster your arguments but by and large reject anything found in Scripture that you personally disagree with, calling the writers fallible men. You get it directly from the Holy Spirit, but not Christ's chosen Apostles if you disagree with them. When you start performing miracles or speak to all men everywhere in their own language as the Apostles did I'll take you seriously.
 

Integrity

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I'm talking about how you cherry pick verses out of context to bolster your arguments but by and large reject anything found in Scripture that you personally disagree with, calling the writers fallible men. You get it directly from the Holy Spirit, but not Christ's chosen Apostles if you disagree with them. When you start performing miracles or speak to all men everywhere in their own language as the Apostles did I'll take you seriously.
Have I ever asked you to believe what I believe or even to take me seriously for that matter?

If I ever did I sure don’t remember it.

To add: all religions do exactly what you are accusing me of too. Everyone cherry picks, even you my friend.
 

vantexan

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Have I ever asked you to believe what I believe or even to take me seriously for that matter?

If I ever did I sure don’t remember it.
You've certainly said that Christ's chosen Apostles were just fallible men and that you reject everything written in Scriptures that you disagree with. So by pointing to those Scriptures you were telling me I was wrong to not see it as you do.
 

Integrity

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You've certainly said that Christ's chosen Apostles were just fallible men and that you reject everything written in Scriptures that you disagree with. So by pointing to those Scriptures you were telling me I was wrong to not see it as you do.
That really is a reach.

My opinion, belief or my faith has no more power to tell you that you are wrong than your opinion, belief, or faith has power to tell me I wrong.

Nice try though.
 

vantexan

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That really is a reach.

My opinion, belief or my faith has no more power to tell you that you are wrong than your opinion, belief, or faith has power to tell me I wrong.

Nice try though.
So let me ask and hopefully get an honest answer. What is the point of asking me do I love money?
 
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