Republicare

[It will be fine]

its a useless argument to try to make. phase one has no final product . once they do their will be other bills that will improve on specific sections of the industry.

The democratic attack focuses on making it sound like this first phase is the whole package. they are interested in preserving Obama's legacy rather then fixing a health insurance problem that is getting worse by the minute.

This "first phase" is the proposed law. We need to look at what it will do, not hope some magic changes are coming in an alleged "phase two."

 

[newfie]

This "first phase" is the proposed law. We need to look at what it will do, not hope some magic changes are coming in an alleged "phase two."

the first phase is the first phase. there would be a complete package if the republicans could count on the dems to do more then protect a failing health plan simply because Obama's name and legacy is on it.

 

[It will be fine]

the first phase is the first phase. there would be a complete package if the republicans could count on the dems to do more then protect a failing health plan simply because Obama's name and legacy is on it.

I'd ask you what you think phase 2 is and how it will fix things but we all know you couldn't possibly answer.

 

[vantexan]

Premiums and deductibles were going up before the ACA. I had years when my premiums would double. Most people that get coverage through their employer never saw those cost increases.

Under the ACA your max out of pocket is capped based on your income. That makes insurance affordable through subsidies. Under Republicare people get tax breaks based on age. So an lower income man in his late 50s early 60s won't have a snowballs chance of affording insurance on the open market. His premiums would go up in $20k/year range. I guess to republicans freedom is being completely beholden to your employer so they don't kill you by laying you off.

Lower income people are pretty beholden to their employer anyways. A lower income man now can't afford insurance without being subsidized so insurance could go to $100k a year for all he cares. The ACA drove premiums and deductibles up for everyone else, and much higher than what you paid before the ACA.

 

[newfie]

I'd ask you what you think phase 2 is and how it will fix things but we all know you couldn't possibly answer.

I don't know how anyone could speculate on that at this point that's a silly argument to make just to get earn a debate point.

 

[vantexan]

There is nothing in the ACA that forces FedEx to raise our deductibles to where they are now.

You sure about that? FedEx may be self insured but it does nothing without approval or mandate from each state's insurance regulatory body. FedEx doesn't get to take advantage of the current political climate to screw over employees on such things.

 

[It will be fine]

I don't know how anyone could speculate on that at this point that's a silly argument to make just to get earn a debate point.

So your argument is we can't debate phase 1 because everything will be fixed in phase 2. And we can't even speculate on what phase 2 will be until we pass phase 1. So we should just trust republicans will fix everything if we only give them a chance?

 

[MAKAVELI]

You sure about that? FedEx may be self insured but it does nothing without approval or mandate from each state's insurance regulatory body. FedEx doesn't get to take advantage of the current political climate to screw over employees on such things.

Positive about that. ACA sets maximums not minimums.

 

[newfie]

So your argument is we can't debate phase 1 because everything will be fixed in phase 2. And we can't even speculate on what phase 2 will be until we pass phase 1. So we should just trust republicans will fix everything if we only give them a chance?

I think we all get to sit back and see where they go with it.

 

[vantexan]

Positive about that. ACA sets maximums not minimums.

But you seem to be implying FedEx is taking advantage. Insurance is too regulated for that to happen.

 

[It will be fine]

I think we all get to sit back and see where they go with it.

So your ignorance of policy is intentional? Just whistle past the graveyard.

 

[vantexan]

So your argument is we can't debate phase 1 because everything will be fixed in phase 2. And we can't even speculate on what phase 2 will be until we pass phase 1. So we should just trust republicans will fix everything if we only give them a chance?

You've been constantly saying they're going to do this or that before they've completed the process. How can you possibly know what the final bill will be before they've completed it? So far it's been more transparent than the Obamacare bill was. You can't say not so when the Speaker of the House back then said "we must pass it in order to find out what's in it." Give it a chance.

 

[It will be fine]

You've been constantly saying they're going to do this or that before they've completed the process. How can you possibly know what the final bill will be before they've completed it? So far it's been more transparent than the Obamacare bill was. You can't say not so when the Speaker of the House back then said "we must pass it in order to find out what's in it." Give it a chance.

We know what's in the bill. They plan on voting on it next week. Plenty of independent organizations have laid out the consequences of the provisions. There isn't one that thinks the bill is a good idea. Stop with pretending we can't debate policy. Faith should be reserved for religion, practical analysis is for public policy.

 

[MAKAVELI]

But you seem to be implying FedEx is taking advantage. Insurance is too regulated for that to happen.

What makes you think they are not?

 

[bbsam]

the first phase is the first phase. there would be a complete package if the republicans could count on the dems to do more then protect a failing health plan simply because Obama's name and legacy is on it.

What makes you think there will be a phase 2?

If there is a phase 2, what is it and why can't it be done at the same time as phase 1 that seems to be hurried?

What does the CBO say about phase 2?

 

[newfie]

We know what's in the bill. They plan on voting on it next week. Plenty of independent organizations have laid out the consequences of the provisions. There isn't one that thinks the bill is a good idea. Stop with pretending we can't debate policy. Faith should be reserved for religion, practical analysis is for public policy.

must be the first bill you've ever debated

 

[newfie]

What makes you think there will be a phase 2?

If there is a phase 2, what is it and why can't it be done at the same time as phase 1 that seems to be hurried?

What does the CBO say about phase 2?

I expected more from you and apparently set the bar too high

 

[bbsam]

I expected more from you and apparently set the bar too high

Humor me. What are the answers?

 

[bbsam]

I expected more from you and apparently set the bar too high

There is no three-phase process,” Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) told radio host Hugh Hewitt this week. “There is no three-step plan. That is just political talk, it’s just politicians engaging in spin.”

 

[It will be fine]

must be the first bill you've ever debated

This is exactly what I expect from you, and I set the bar pretty low. If you have an intelligent fact based point to make, I'm all ears.