Restructuring - The good, bad and ugly.

[tieguy]

I wonder how the dumb olé Americans manage to produce 50% more GDP per capita than the wiser Japanese rowers. $45k vs $32k

In real life the Americans would put a motor ( built in japan )on the boat and spend the day drinking beer.

a slight modification?

 

[hubrat]

you're commentary does seem to indicate someone who is very unhappy at their job. If you continue working a job you are very unhappy with then it would seem to indicate that you are enslaved by it.

your constant comentary on enslavement and your posts that seem to make references to the big corporation victimizing and harrassing the workers seems to indicate feelings of paranoia and inferiority.

And lastly your row boat example is meant to make the point that too many leaders and not enough workers can be counterproductive. It does not however negate the point that a leader is needed in that row boat to ensure that all are rowing together as a team. In that example does the leader simply yell row and hope for the best or should he ensure that all rowers are working together?
Does that leader now become the harrasser if he corrects a rower who is not working in sync with the rest of the team?

These are my thoughts from my perspective on the opposite side of your fence.

My commentary is indicative of the fact that I enjoy my job and would like to continue to do so. I am truly sorry for people who do feel enslaved. I know some of them personally and can only hope that they find some contentment in their lives. I have been fortunate in life and have also made good choices for myself and, though I do appreciate your thoughfulness, if this job starts to lose its gratifying qualities and I can do nothing to help rectify them, I will move along to find something else.

The boat joke was a restructuring analogy meant to point the thread back in the direction of the op.

Your perspective may be opposite mine, but my hunch is that you and I aren't all that different.

(((tieguy)))

 

[FracusBrown]

a slight modification?

and a plastic canoe made in China.

My commentary is indicative of the fact that I enjoy my job and would like to continue to do so. I am truly sorry for people who do feel enslaved. I know some of them personally and can only hope that they find some contentment in their lives. I have been fortunate in life and have also made good choices for myself and, though I do appreciate your thoughfulness, if this job starts to lose its gratifying qualities and I can do nothing to help rectify them, I will move along to find something else.

The boat joke was a restructuring analogy meant to point the thread back in the direction of the op.

Your perspective may be opposite mine, but my hunch is that you and I aren't all that different.

(((tieguy)))

my eyes....my eyes are ..my eyes are failing...??????

 

[hubrat]

and a plastic canoe made in China.

my eyes....my eyes are ..my eyes are failing...??????

original context

you're commentary does seem to indicate someone who is very unhappy at their job. If you continue working a job you are very unhappy with then it would seem to indicate that you are enslaved by it.

your constant comentary on enslavement and your posts that seem to make references to the big corporation victimizing and harrassing the workers seems to indicate feelings of paranoia and inferiority.

and lastly your row boat example is meant to make the point that too many leaders and not enough workers can be counterproductive. It does not however negate the point that a leader is needed in that row boat to ensure that all are rowing together as a team. In that example does the leader simply yell row and hope for the best or should he ensure that all rowers are working together?
does that leader now become the harrasser if he corrects a rower who is not working in sync with the rest of the team?

these are my thoughts from my perspective on the opposite side of your fence.

my commentary is indicative of the fact that i enjoy my job and would like to continue to do so. I am truly sorry for people who do feel enslaved. I know some of them personally and can only hope that they find some contentment in their lives. I have been fortunate in life and have also made good choices for myself and, though i do appreciate your thoughfulness, if this job starts to lose its gratifying qualities and i can do nothing to help rectify them, i will move along to find something else.

The boat joke was a restructuring analogy meant to point the thread back in the direction of the op.

Your perspective may be opposite mine, but my hunch is that you and i aren't all that different.

(((tieguy)))

 

[Dragon]

Since the restructurng, there seems to be considerable confussion, a general lack of communincation and a lot of "it's not my job". It seems like a lot of things have fallen through the cracks to me.

What changes have come about since the restructuring in your area?

Is the company better managed with less people managing?

Posted by Fracus Brown 1st thread

We are now back on topic...

 

[hypocrisy]

In my particular work area they have increased the number of management 3x.
Head person is completely ignorant of how our operation works and it shows daily.
2 of the lower level managers are nice enough but way over their heads.
1 is knowledgeable enough but incompetent and suffers from an inferiority complex which has led to much friction with specialists and drivers alike.
Chaos has ensued and in a Hail Mary play the not-so-old guard was called in to save the day.
I would love to see the cost balance sheet 2010 vs 2009.


I suspect there will be much upheaval come January, hopefully a double down isn't in the plan.

 

[tieguy]

bullschat

 

[hypocrisy]

Oh I'm being kind, believe me. Regional is already very aware of the problems. Too much $$$$ is going to be paid in grievances to hide anything (at least $30k by my estimate).

 

[tieguy]

Oh I'm being kind, believe me. Regional is already very aware of the problems. Too much $$$$ is going to be paid in grievances to hide anything (at least $30k by my estimate).

grievances like warning letters dont always mean what we think they do.

 

[hypocrisy]

grievances like warning letters dont always mean what we think they do.

It's already been agreed to be paid, just a matter of tallying the total.

 

[siredline09]

(43rd St and Manhattan South) There are 30 combo drivers demoted full time to part time, 50 air drivers laid off and lesser supervisors. Also night time pick up gone from air department and PT Air drivers are being phased out So basically more money in the corporates pockets!

 

[tieguy]

It's already been agreed to be paid, just a matter of tallying the total.

Not the point . grievances and warning letter no longer mean what they were meant to mean.

your side won these grievances. It only means that in this time and in this place with this arbitrator your side won. Right or wrong in the case always takes a back seat.

 

[tieguy]

(43rd St and Manhattan South) There are 30 combo drivers demoted full time to part time, 50 air drivers laid off and lesser supervisors. Also night time pick up gone from air department and PT Air drivers are being phased out So basically more money in the corporates pockets!

an excellent example to the previous post. 804 is paying through the shorts for the Ron Carey days.

 

[Jones]

an excellent example to the previous post. 804 is paying through the shorts for the Ron Carey days.

Considering the source, I would wait for some corroboration....

 

[tieguy]

Considering the source, I would wait for some corroboration....

I'm having fun. What else can you do with his posts?

 

[hypocrisy]

Not the point . grievances and warning letter no longer mean what they were meant to mean.

your side won these grievances. It only means that in this time and in this place with this arbitrator your side won. Right or wrong in the case always takes a back seat.

I think you're missing the point. This particular manager knew he was dirty and reached out to us to settle; no arbitrator involved. It's called integrity, sorry Integrity, a rare thing I know. Right or wrong took a front seat because this particular manager wasn't responsible for this mess and while he's a prick he's fair and doesn't run his operations this way. As far as warning letters, he doesn't hand them out like tissues so they garner a lot more respect. So I'd say they mean what they were supposed to mean. I'd say we need a lot more managers like this one.

 

[tieguy]

I think you're missing the point. This particular manager knew he was dirty and reached out to us to settle; no arbitrator involved. It's called integrity, sorry Integrity, a rare thing I know. Right or wrong took a front seat because this particular manager wasn't responsible for this mess and while he's a prick he's fair and doesn't run his operations this way. As far as warning letters, he doesn't hand them out like tissues so they garner a lot more respect. So I'd say they mean what they were supposed to mean. I'd say we need a lot more managers like this one.

The guy should be fired. He will never recieve the same integrity he gave if integrity is what you call it. His drivers will not now stop the fishing expedition grievances. Instead they will look for opportunities to stretch the intent of contractual lanaguage and steal money not earned. Christmas is the worst. I've never seen so many bullschat hope I get lucky grievances as I do at christmas time each year.

I laugh everytime I read a post like yours about right and wrong and integrity with the grievance process. The grievance process is nothing more then contractually supported theft.

 

[hypocrisy]

Ah, so you condone stealing work from bargaining unit members and subcontracting that to outside vendors illegally according to the contract. I see.
Very interesting.

We don't have to fish with this manager because we have a thousand pairs of eyes in the yard and if a subcontracted trailer comes in they research it right in front of us so we can determine if we have a grievance or if it's another buildings problem. Sure, there may be disagreements along the way but I can tell you I have to knock the dust off my grievance forms every time I need one with this manager running things.

I think you should fire yourself and do the Company a favor.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The grievance process is nothing more then contractually supported theft.

I gotta call you out on this one, Tie. I agree that there are employees who, if they worked as hard at their job as they do when filing grievances, would be Employee of the Month every month that has a "y". However, there are situations that arise that, if they cannot be worked out, do deserve to be grieved. I have always tried to work out any disputes that I may have with management face to face before putting pen to paper. I have submitted two grievances, both pay related, in 21 years and am batting .500 on those grievances.

The grievance process is a mechanism by which employees governed by a contract can ensure management is following said contract.

 

[tieguy]

upstate your point may be the intent but application tends to be that some meet the criteria you have defined while many other grievances are as I described. I've seen enough of them written over the years in operations I have worked and others. you have quite a few people in the ranks that could definitely teach management a thing or two about greed.

crow said something about integrity. the only integrity in the process is that a business agent will chase every dishonest grievance presented with vigor to save his worthless job.