Rittenhouse Trial

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I’ve seen some “Free Rittenhouse” posts around. Why would that be? What if he’s found guilty of lesser charges?

Seems to me that people on both sides have decided not by the law but by political leanings. Yes. Crazy weirdos.
So you've decided to go against the views of the Left because you've decided to be fair and honest about it? Good to know.
 
I’ve seen some “Free Rittenhouse” posts around. Why would that be? What if he’s found guilty of lesser charges?

Seems to me that people on both sides have decided not by the law but by political leanings. Yes. Crazy weirdos.
I just don't see him getting convicted of anything related to homicide or manslaughter. If anything, maybe a weapons charge, and will get some jail time at most, but no prison time. Just how I see it.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
I just don't see him getting convicted of anything related to homicide or manslaughter. If anything, maybe a weapons charge, and will get some jail time at most, but no prison time. Just how I see it.
The judge is supposed to instruct the jury about a loophole in the weapons law that indicates it can't apply to Rittenhouse. It was a very poorly written law that contradicts itself.
 
The judge is supposed to instruct the jury about a loophole in the weapons law that indicates it can't apply to Rittenhouse. It was a very poorly written law that contradicts itself.
Yeah, I read a little. The whole thing seems convoluted and impossible to interpret without a JD. That's why I think it's possible, but that's the worst case scenario in my mind.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
So you've decided to go against the views of the Left because you've decided to be fair and honest about it? Good to know.
I’m not sure what the left says. I certainly haven’t heard premeditation proven but I’d say we could be a fair distance away from “free Rittenhouse”. I don’t know if that’s being fair and honest. It’s just how it looks to me.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Yeah, I read a little. The whole thing seems convoluted and impossible to interpret without a JD. That's why I think it's possible, but that's the worst case scenario in my mind.
Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi cited Wisconsin Statute 948.60 on Friday, claiming his client was not subject to the law due to a narrow exemption. The statute's second section (2)(a) states: "Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."


However, a third section under the law lists exemptions. That section states it applies only to a person under 18 years of age carrying a gun who is in "violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 ."


According to 941.28, short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles are firearms that require a separate license under the National Firearms Act. Such rifles typically have a barrel less than 16 inches in length or shotguns with a barrel less than 18 inches in length, or either which have an overall length of less than 26 inches. Rittenhouse's AR-style weapon is classified as a rifle and does not fall into either category, according to law enforcement detective testimony the defense claims to possess.

Statute 29.304 places "restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age." Chirafisi conceded "he's in violation of 29.593," however, he argued Rittenhouse wasn't in violation of 29.304, saying, "he [was] 17. It doesn't apply — it can't apply — Because of his age."
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi cited Wisconsin Statute 948.60 on Friday, claiming his client was not subject to the law due to a narrow exemption. The statute's second section (2)(a) states: "Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."


However, a third section under the law lists exemptions. That section states it applies only to a person under 18 years of age carrying a gun who is in "violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 ."


According to 941.28, short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles are firearms that require a separate license under the National Firearms Act. Such rifles typically have a barrel less than 16 inches in length or shotguns with a barrel less than 18 inches in length, or either which have an overall length of less than 26 inches. Rittenhouse's AR-style weapon is classified as a rifle and does not fall into either category, according to law enforcement detective testimony the defense claims to possess.

Statute 29.304 places "restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age." Chirafisi conceded "he's in violation of 29.593," however, he argued Rittenhouse wasn't in violation of 29.304, saying, "he [was] 17. It doesn't apply — it can't apply — Because of his age."
Seems strange that is the defense attorney is correct that the judge wouldn’t simply dismiss the charge outright. Why bother with informing the jury if the law doesn’t apply? Can the jury simply disregard the letter of the law?
 

wilberforce15

Well-Known Member
Seems strange that is the defense attorney is correct that the judge wouldn’t simply dismiss the charge outright. Why bother with informing the jury if the law doesn’t apply? Can the jury simply disregard the letter of the law?
Yes, actually, a fundamental right of the juror is to disregard the law, or the letter of it, if the juror believes it represents an injustice.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
Right. Because your political leanings say he’s not guilty of anything. See? Crazy weirdos.
You are a moderator. You should not be calling people crazy weirdos because you disagree with them.

Also because insisting someone is guilty in spite of video that shows they're clearly not is also a pretty crazy weirdo thing to do. Talk about being influenced by political leanings!
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Also because insisting someone is guilty in spite of video that shows they're clearly not is also a pretty crazy weirdo thing to do. Talk about being influenced by political leanings!
Not really. Video evidence doesn’t really mean anything when it comes to the letter of the law. What you see may or not be what you see. Rodney King taught us that.
 
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