Ronald Reagan, Great American Hawk

[klein]

I imagine if Ronald Reagan didn't support, trained, and gave the Taliban weapons, and instead listened to the Russians, instead of ignoring their warnings, the 4th of the July this year would be without any wars, 9/11 would have never happened. Deficits wouldn't be where they are today, nevermind the cost of human lives.
And Canada wouldn't be in Afghanistan, either today, where all the money being spent, could have been spent much more wiser and practical at home.

Truely, I got NOTHING to thank Ronnie , for !

 

[av8torntn]

I imagine if Ronald Reagan didn't support, trained, and gave the Taliban weapons, and instead listened to the Russians, instead of ignoring their warnings, the 4th of the July this year would be without any wars, 9/11 would have never happened. Deficits wouldn't be where they are today, nevermind the cost of human lives.
And Canada wouldn't be in Afghanistan, either today, where all the money being spent, could have been spent much more wiser and practical at home.

Truely, I got NOTHING to thank Ronnie , for !

I imagine that since the Taliban didn't exist until after Reagan was gone from office that he did not support, train, or equip the taliban. Actuall they rose to power using AK-47's recovered from the Soviet invasion. I do find it interesting that you think Clinton was a great president for something he had nothing to do with and Reagan was a bad president for something he had nothing to do with. I sense a pattern here. What you call an open mind I think some would call an empty mind. In the real world what happened was the communist government backed by the Soviet Union fell which caused the Soviet invasion. The Soviet military over about a ten year period killed almost an entire generation of mothers and fathers. This along with a civil war caused a perfect storm where other Sunni nations could funnel money into the country to fund Muslim schools. We are now fighting around the world the products of these schools. When you should be blaming the former(thanks Reagan) Soviet Union and Islam you are working pretty hard to fabricate some type of blame for Reagan.

 

[klein]

I imagine that since the Taliban didn't exist until after Reagan was gone from office that he did not support, train, or equip the taliban. Actuall they rose to power using AK-47's recovered from the Soviet invasion. I do find it interesting that you think Clinton was a great president for something he had nothing to do with and Reagan was a bad president for something he had nothing to do with. I sense a pattern here. What you call an open mind I think some would call an empty mind. In the real world what happened was the communist government backed by the Soviet Union fell which caused the Soviet invasion. The Soviet military over about a ten year period killed almost an entire generation of mothers and fathers. This along with a civil war caused a perfect storm where other Sunni nations could funnel money into the country to fund Muslim schools. We are now fighting around the world the products of these schools. When you should be blaming the former(thanks Reagan) Soviet Union and Islam you are working pretty hard to fabricate some type of blame for Reagan.

oh great, trying to change history, again. You lose !

 

[tieguy]

Rumor has Klein won't hang any reagan pictures up in his house since he is afraid any canadian women he may be lucky enough to bring home would then see what a real man looks like.

 

[klein]

Rumor has Klein won't hang any reagan pictures up in his house since he is afraid any canadian women he may be lucky enough to bring home would then see what a real man looks like.

Sooo funny Tie, I haven't been to any house in Canada that has a Reagan Picture. Won't happen !

 

[klein]

I imagine that since the Taliban didn't exist until after Reagan was gone from office that he did not support, train, or equip the taliban. Actuall they rose to power using AK-47's recovered from the Soviet invasion.

Keep your imaginations !

 

[tieguy]

Dude while I can't read your post knowing your on here thanking ronnie and america for allowing you to live your life of socialistic luxery warms my heart.

 

[tourists24]

What you call an open mind I think some would call an empty mind. When you should be blaming the former(thanks Reagan) Soviet Union and Islam you are working pretty hard to fabricate some type of blame for Reagan.

I think the term you are looking for is "educated beyond their intelligence"

 

[over9five]

You know, I'm flattered that Canadians and basicly the whole world knows who our former Presidents are.

Cuz quite honestly, I couldn't name ONE former Canada president (PM, whateva) PROBABLY because they've never done anything remotely newsworthy.

Just sayin......

 

[klein]

You know, I'm flattered that Canadians and basicly the whole world knows who our former Presidents are.

Cuz quite honestly, I couldn't name ONE former Canada president (PM, whateva) PROBABLY because they've never done anything remotely newsworthy.

Just sayin......

You probably couldn't name a french or german president (Channcelor), either. Besides Napoleon and Hitler.
Thats just the way American media is. They cut Canada right off the map.
It's sad, that most Americans wouldn't know who is the Chinese president, who is giving you the money to continue to live as you are.

Down South, Afhganistan is considered America's war. Here we report it as Nato allies.
We learn, how many British, German , Dutch, Americans, Canadians, etc, who have been killed in a day or week, which is also missing from your news stories.
Face it, how many of you, know the Queen of England was in New York yesterday ? Her name is Queen Elizabeth II, by the way , she is the most political knowable figure on earth, who has met Presidents and world leaders since the mid 50's.

Besides, all that Canadians keep a low profile. Along with the Dutch. The 2 of us always meet together all over the world as Peacekeepers.

But, besides all of the above, Canadian news media shows the world news everyday, and EVERYBODY here has american TV channels, too.
A few lucky ones in the US, that live near the border have access to Canadian TV, but not the rest of the US.

And, I do admit, the US president, no matter who he is, what he has archieved or not, is well known all around the world.
Bush W, was hated, Obama is liked. Thats just the way it is. And actually Reagan was liked in Canada, too, but disliked in Europe and probably other places around the world.
His arms race really put a fear into Europe (I was living there at the time).
I remember going to the Cinema watching "The Day After". Even the Russian Government (Breschneow, { spelling ?} ) commented on that film, that things need to change, before that ever happens.

Besides all that, Canada has never and probably will never become a Worldpower, maybe in another 50- 100 years, when food and natural resorces are scarce. But not now.
It doesn't even want that role. Economic Powerhouse, just like Germany, sure, and just keep on striving.
Kind of like China is doing these days.

In my perfect world, we leave it up to the United Nations to decide if a country needs to be invaded or not.
And, above 60% of votes should count to pass a motion.

 

[Lue C Fur]

In my perfect world,.

Is that inside the "Likor" bottle you live in?

 

[klein]

Is that inside the "Likor" bottle you live in?

You just stay in hell, where you belong !

 

[tieguy]

You know, I'm flattered that Canadians and basicly the whole world knows who our former Presidents are.

Cuz quite honestly, I couldn't name ONE former Canada president (PM, whateva) PROBABLY because they've never done anything remotely newsworthy.

Just sayin......

thats sad. I wouldn't expect a great leader like ronnie but you would think there was one that was memorable.

no wonder Klein idolizes ronnie so.

 

[fxdwg]

Defense Wannabe's...I Laugh........

 

[klein]

thats sad. I wouldn't expect a great leader like ronnie but you would think there was one that was memorable.

no wonder Klein idolizes ronnie so.

Sure, I idolize him. First president that put the US in major debt.
All of you should have paid the $10 or $20K, per capita, he left behind.

Wouldn't that be a nice new rule ? Pay as you go .

 

[tieguy]

You know, I'm flattered that Canadians and basicly the whole world knows who our former Presidents are.

Cuz quite honestly, I couldn't name ONE former Canada president (PM, whateva) PROBABLY because they've never done anything remotely newsworthy.

Just sayin......

In reality he has heard the name Reagan somewhere but does not know anything about him. He never lived here under carter so he can't relate to that experience. The carter economy that was 10 times worse then this one. Carter foriegn policy that had us very close to direct combat with the soviet union during the Iran mess. He never lived in germany as a military man so he does not know what its like to know that a soviet crossing of the border may mean you have 10 minutes to live. He does not know anything about living under the threat of mutually assured self destruction. He never had to practice evacuating to a bomb shelter in case the soviets fired their nukes. Never served in the military during a time when the greatest fear was world war three and knowing the soviets practicied with chemical weapons.
Klein did watch wkmac's video and stay at a holiday inn express last night.

So while Klein does not know anything about the american experience during this time it has not stopped him from proudly displaying his ignorance.

 

[klein]

In reality he has heard the name Reagan somewhere but does not know anything about him. He never lived here under carter so he can't relate to that experience. The carter economy that was 10 times worse then this one. Carter foriegn policy that had us very close to direct combat with the soviet union during the Iran mess. He never lived in germany as a military man so he does not know what its like to know that a soviet crossing of the border may mean you have 10 minutes to live. He does not know anything about living under the threat of mutually assured self destruction. He never had to practice evacuating to a bomb shelter in case the soviets fired their nukes. Never served in the military during a time when the greatest fear was world war three and knowing the soviets practicied with chemical weapons.
Klein did watch wkmac's video and stay at a holiday inn express last night.


So while Klein does not know anything about the american experience during this time it has not stopped him from proudly displaying his ignorance.

Thats how little bit of knowledge you have from Germany ?
Can't you recall the test sirens, all across Germany, every 3 or 6 months ?
And the bunker was right across the street from where I lived. The same bunker my mother and her family used many times during worldwar II !
But, yes, we didn't need to make a test flight to the bunker. The german government just tested the warning sirens, frequently.

And you are right. The germans were about 3 weeks late. I got drafted just after I left Germany.
But, most of my friends, and co workers were drafted by then.

I did visit German, US and even the Canadian Barracks in Germany. Something you can probably never do these days anymore, with the terrorists alerts.

A sovjet crossing the border and 10 minutes to live ? If thats the case, they sure screwed up in Afghanistan, didn't they ?
Maybe Americans lived in fear, like you Tie, under the coldwar, but Germany went on with their business, and became the world largest exporter of manufactured goods.
Germany had many ties with the communist Russia, imported steel, natural gas, and many other natural resources from them. And still do, to this day.

You are just trying to make Russia sound worse then it ever was ! Typical military son, you are .

 

[wkmac]

Anthony Sutton of Stanford University's Hoover Institute has vastly documented technology transfers from the west (the US for sure) to the Soviet Union all through the cold war. He wrote in depth works on the subject and this is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. Just like American interests built the enemy of radical islamic terrorists, so to did it build the so-called enemy of the communist menace that has certain people hiding under their bed screaming the end is at hand.

YouTube or Google Video Anthony Sutton and you'll see documented example of how US interests have built the enemies we end up so-called opposing. Also google Fredrick Taylor/Scientific Management and how the Soviet Union brought Taylorist experts over to design their central planned system all at the behest of American business interests.

This Wiki article on Scientific management includes a section on the Soviet Union and the last paragraph speaks volumns IMO.

You should also click on the article "Five Year Plan" as it might prove interesting.

The Five-Year Plans for the National Economy of the Soviet Union (Russian: пятилетка, Pyatiletka) were a series of nation-wide centralized exercises in rapid economic development in the Soviet Union. The plans were developed by a state planning committee based on the Theory of Productive Forces that was part of the general guidelines of the Communist Party for economic development. Fulfilling the plan became the watchword of Soviet bureaucracy. (See Overview of the Soviet economic planning process) The same method of planning was also adopted by most other communist states, including the People's Republic of China. In addition, several capitalist states have emulated the concept of central planning, though in the context of a market economy, by setting integrated economic goals for a finite period of time. Thus are found "Seven-year Plans" and "Twelve-Year Plans". Nazi Germany emulated the practice in its Four Year Plan designed to bring Germany to war-readiness.

Hmmm, wonder which capitalist countries they had in mind and if you think it all came about in the last 18 months you need to do a little more reading!


Same is true of those who scream "the Free Market" caused it all. There's not a damn thing free about our market anymore as it's planned! The only thing left is to reduce options so planners can attain the goals outcome they desire.

"You've been living in a dream world Neo!"

 

[av8torntn]

Defense Wannabe's...I Laugh........

If once they ["our people"] become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. - Thomas Jefferson, letter from Paris, 1787

 

[Lue C Fur]

Reagan circa 1964:

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