Russia Claims Ukraine Standoff Is Over

PT Car Washer

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If you truly believed that you wouldn’t be just fine with Biden being the Democratic Presidential candidate in November.
Actually I am hoping Nikki Haley hangs in there till the convention. With all of trumps legal and financial problems she may be the surprise Republican Presidential candidate.
 

Box Ox

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Actually I am hoping Nikki Haley hangs in there till the convention. With all of trumps legal and financial problems she may be the surprise Republican Presidential candidate.

Trump isn’t facing anything that would make him ineligible to run. And Trumpees would boycott the election for sure if he were replaced. Can see the appeal of that possibility for leftists who have put their hopes behind Biden.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
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Russia, China and Iran’s primary goal is to sideline the United States of America.

It’s working in Ukraine.

Meanwhile… Iran, North Korea and China are helping Russia.

We’re so stupid here.
 

rickyb

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so i said at some point ukraine would lose some land and not join nato and here we are and we needed diplomacy to end the war not more weapons

when did biden admin ever have a phone call with putin?
 

Thebrownblob

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so i said at some point ukraine would lose some land and not join nato and here we are and we needed diplomacy to end the war not more weapons

when did biden admin ever have a phone call with putin?
Yep, only people who were living in a different reality believed that this would not end with Russia gaining some of that land. I said the same thing as you throughout this whole unnecessary war. Those in power on both sides got to watch, needless slaughter and the ruining of cities. To achieve the same outcome that could’ve been achieved before any of it happened.
 

Thebrownblob

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NATO and especially the United States and the Biden administration knew full well that complete victory for Ukraine could never be achieved, without sending NATO troops or American troops NATO Nor the United States never planned on doing that.

Instead, we used Ukraine like bait To try and punish Russia or weaken them, but only for our own goals not really Ukrainians. We sent Ukrainian military men and civilians into a meat grinder while we ate TV dinners and watch TV. And maybe displayed that Ukrainian flag in a front yard or in our bio on social media. No big deal as the bodies piled up. we didn’t have any real skin in the game.

Now as the war winds down NATO slaps Ukraine on the back and says hey thanks for playing. See you later, buddy. Useful Idiots
 

oldngray

nowhere special
NATO and especially the United States and the Biden administration knew full well that complete victory for Ukraine could never be achieved, without sending NATO troops or American troops NATO Nor the United States never planned on doing that.

Instead, we used Ukraine like bait To try and punish Russia or weaken them, but only for our own goals not really Ukrainians. We sent Ukrainian military men and civilians into a meat grinder while we ate TV dinners and watch TV. And maybe displayed that Ukrainian flag in a front yard or in our bio on social media. No big deal as the bodies piled up. we didn’t have any real skin in the game.

Now as the war winds down NATO slaps Ukraine on the back and says hey thanks for playing. See you later, buddy. Useful Idiots
How much of the money thrown at Ukraine ended up in crooked pockets?
 

Thebrownblob

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How much of the money thrown at Ukraine ended up in crooked pockets?
Seeing that Ukraine is one of the most politically corrupt countries in the world, I would say a good portion of it, but will never know for sure.


The United States, NATO, and the Biden ministration and people like Lindsey Graham did not care as long as the war machine was cranked up and bullets were flying.

Just like with most government run operations there was a lot of fog of war and phyop propaganda going on so if you mentioned anything other than sending money to make sure this war happened, you were a Putin stooge.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
Yep, only people who were living in a different reality believed that this would not end with Russia gaining some of that land. I said the same thing as you throughout this whole unnecessary war. Those in power on both sides got to watch, needless slaughter and the ruining of cities. To achieve the same outcome that could’ve been achieved before any of it happened.
NATO and especially the United States and the Biden administration knew full well that complete victory for Ukraine could never be achieved, without sending NATO troops or American troops NATO Nor the United States never planned on doing that.

Instead, we used Ukraine like bait To try and punish Russia or weaken them, but only for our own goals not really Ukrainians. We sent Ukrainian military men and civilians into a meat grinder while we ate TV dinners and watch TV. And maybe displayed that Ukrainian flag in a front yard or in our bio on social media. No big deal as the bodies piled up. we didn’t have any real skin in the game.

Now as the war winds down NATO slaps Ukraine on the back and says hey thanks for playing. See you later, buddy. Useful Idiots
You're clearly a Putin lover.
 

vantexan

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NATO and especially the United States and the Biden administration knew full well that complete victory for Ukraine could never be achieved, without sending NATO troops or American troops NATO Nor the United States never planned on doing that.

Instead, we used Ukraine like bait To try and punish Russia or weaken them, but only for our own goals not really Ukrainians. We sent Ukrainian military men and civilians into a meat grinder while we ate TV dinners and watch TV. And maybe displayed that Ukrainian flag in a front yard or in our bio on social media. No big deal as the bodies piled up. we didn’t have any real skin in the game.

Now as the war winds down NATO slaps Ukraine on the back and says hey thanks for playing. See you later, buddy. Useful Idiots
Ukraine had been invaded by an enemy much larger and better armed than them. They had two choices, surrender their country or fight to preserve it. Anyone who believes Putin would've accepted peace terms from a surrendering opponent with just carving off a bit of the country for Russia is terribly uninformed. Forgotten in all of this is Putin had designs on Moldova too. It also has a breakaway province of Russian separatists. But he had to finish off Ukraine to get to it. By fighting Russia to a standstill over three years, inflicting much heavier losses on the Russians, Ukraine gained the leverage it needed to negotiate keeping most of its territory. Keeping the occupied territory and an agreement to not enter NATO lets Putin save face. He can claim he was saving ethnic Russians from the abusive Ukrainians. This Monday morning quarterbacking by DIDO saying they're getting what he said they'd get three years ago, should've listened to him, is at best naive. And while everyone likes to say Washington is pulling all the strings, manipulating everything, they fail to recognize it's the Ukrainians from the get go who chose to defend their country. Who sent their wives and children out of the country and required every able bodied male between 16 and 64 to fight. I hope all those who are quick to say they'd fight to defend the USA will show as much courage protecting our sovereignty. But they sure were quick to denigrate the Ukrainians efforts to defend their country.
 
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