Russia Claims Ukraine Standoff Is Over

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

This Monday morning quarterbacking by DIDO saying they're getting what he said they'd get three years ago, should've listened to him, is at best naive.

You're just horribly uninformed.

Ukraine fought past the initial days of conflict that most analysts thought they would lose.

Then Russia and Ukraine negotiated an initial peace deal that was likely to be accepted by both sides.

Then Western nations tanked the peace deal by offering a couple of billion dollars to one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

Then the media fooled you into supporting that proxy war. Now you're just refusing to admit you were wrong.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Neocon boomers are almost worse than Democrats

 

[vantexan]

You're just horribly uninformed.

Ukraine fought past the initial days of conflict that most analysts thought they would lose.

Then Russia and Ukraine negotiated an initial peace deal that was likely to be accepted by both sides.

Then Western nations tanked the peace deal by offering a couple of billion dollars to one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

Then the media fooled you into supporting that proxy war. Now you're just refusing to admit you were wrong.

That's your interpretation of events. From what was posted earlier they never signed a deal and the U.S. and Britain offered them serious help AFTER 7 rounds of negotiations. Putin could've chosen to break off the fighting and return his troops to Russia at any time. Instead he tried to take the country. It was only the Ukrainians inflicting so much damage that gave them a much more solid position to negotiate from. And you're just refusing to admit you had it wrong from the start.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

From what was posted earlier they never signed a deal and the U.S. and Britain offered them serious help AFTER 7 rounds of negotiations.

Why are you repeating back to me what I just said?

Russia and Ukraine negotiated an initial peace deal that was likely to be accepted by both sides.

Then Western nations tanked the peace deal by offering a couple of billion dollars to one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

 

[BrownFlush]

Neocon boomers are almost worse than Democrats

This is one example of boomerism that just represents why everyone collective hates your generation. Which will go down as the most selfish, narcissistic, and evil generation.

 

[catstalking]

Neocon boomers are almost worse than Democrats

@vantexan hey is this you?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Ukraine had been invaded by an enemy much larger and better armed than them. They had two choices, surrender their country or fight to preserve it. Anyone who believes Putin would've accepted peace terms from a surrendering opponent with just carving off a bit of the country for Russia is terribly uninformed. Forgotten in all of this is Putin had designs on Moldova too. It also has a breakaway province of Russian separatists. But he had to finish off Ukraine to get to it. By fighting Russia to a standstill over three years, inflicting much heavier losses on the Russians, Ukraine gained the leverage it needed to negotiate keeping most of its territory. Keeping the occupied territory and an agreement to not enter NATO lets Putin save face. He can claim he was saving ethnic Russians from the abusive Ukrainians. This Monday morning quarterbacking by DIDO saying they're getting what he said they'd get three years ago, should've listened to him, is at best naive. And while everyone likes to say Washington is pulling all the strings, manipulating everything, they fail to recognize it's the Ukrainians from the get go who chose to defend their country. Who sent their wives and children out of the country and required every able bodied male between 16 and 64 to fight. I hope all those who are quick to say they'd fight to defend the USA will show as much courage protecting our sovereignty. But they sure were quick to denigrate the Ukrainians efforts to defend their country.

You got suckered into believing Joe Biden, and his administration we’re going to do the right thing. They never plan to do the right thing. They did exactly what they wanted laundered a bunch of money.

You can’t admit that this was unnecessary even though you’re a Trump voter you know you cannot admit you were wrong.

This is not about Ukraine and their people and their courageousness, which I do agree they are courageous, but they were used by our government and NATO. And you went along with it, and “Putin stooges” pointed out that this did not look right.

Russia and Putin are not good guys, and neither are we. We are just as bad as them because we never intended to help Ukraine “win”.

 

[UnionStrong]

NATO and especially the United States and the Biden administration knew full well that complete victory for Ukraine could never be achieved, without sending NATO troops or American troops NATO Nor the United States never planned on doing that.

Instead, we used Ukraine like bait To try and punish Russia or weaken them, but only for our own goals not really Ukrainians. We sent Ukrainian military men and civilians into a meat grinder while we ate TV dinners and watch TV. And maybe displayed that Ukrainian flag in a front yard or in our bio on social media. No big deal as the bodies piled up. we didn’t have any real skin in the game.

Now as the war winds down NATO slaps Ukraine on the back and says hey thanks for playing. See you later, buddy. Useful Idiots

Putin loving bastard!

 

[oldngray]

If you are pointing out the corruption in Ukraine that doesn't make you a Putin supporter. You will just get accused of being one.

 

[Thebrownblob]

If you are pointing out the corruption in Ukraine that doesn't make you a Putin supporter. You will just get accused of being one.

Those are tactics used to quiet descent, and anyone questioning what’s going on. It’s an old playbook.

Matter fact, that’s what they’re calling Trump now.

 

[BrownFlush]

I think the Putonian support is wearing thin. Not that he cares, but lives that they've lost has not produced the real estate they died for.

 

[oldngray]

Those are tactics used to quiet descent, and anyone questioning what’s going on. It’s an old playbook.

Matter fact, that’s what they’re calling Trump now.

Nothing new

 

[Thebrownblob]

I think the Putonian support is wearing thin. Not that he cares, but lives that they've lost has not produced the real estate they died for.

I have no doubt the Russian casualties are quite high. But then again, would you expect someone like Putin to care?

But then again, apparently neither did the Biden administration and many Republicans neon warmongers.
We are not supposed to be like Putin we should’ve cared when we realized Ukraine could not achieve getting back those territories on their own. Trump apparently does care about the unnecessary loss of life, good for him.

 

[vantexan]

Why are you repeating back to me what I just said?

Why are you trying to worm out of what you said? You said that three years ago you were saying they could've saved themselves a lot of grief because they would've ended up negotiating to end the war by conceding territory anyways. Except that wouldn't have happened three years ago. You're Monday morning quarterbacking, trying to make yourself look brilliant. One of two things were going to happen. Either Ukraine was going to win the war or more likely they were going to end it with concessions. Either scenario required them to fight to get to this point. You on the other hand were saying Ukraine could have ended it three years ago by negotiating concessions. Would've never happened.

 

[vantexan]

I have no doubt the Russian casualties are quite high. But then again, would you expect someone like Putin to care?

But then again, apparently neither did the Biden administration and many Republicans neon warmongers.
We are not supposed to be like Putin we should’ve cared when we realized Ukraine could not achieve getting back those territories on their own. Trump apparently does care about the unnecessary loss of life, good for him.

Russia is up against it demographically. They have one of the oldest populations and can ill afford to lose more young men. It's something Putin has to take into account. When they were the Soviet Union they had 375 million people and could afford to throw men into battle. They're about 140 million now and have low life expectancy for men but at the same time are aging out. So the longer this war goes the more pressure Putin is going to feel to end it. Whether y'all like it or not Russia's ability to wage war has been greatly diminished by this war.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Russia is up against it demographically. They have one of the oldest populations and can ill afford to lose more young men. It's something Putin has to take into account. When they were the Soviet Union they had 375 million people and could afford to throw men into battle. They're about 140 million now and have low life expectancy for men but at the same time are aging out. So the longer this war goes the more pressure Putin is going to feel to end it. Whether y'all like it or not Russia's ability to wage war has been greatly diminished by this war.

Well, y’all don’t think it was worth sacrificing Ukrainian people. I guess you do and that’s your prerogative. I’m surprised you voted for Trump if you really feel that way, Kamala Harris would’ve made sure we fought to the last Ukrainian….. literally.

 

[UnionStrong]

Russia is up against it demographically. They have one of the oldest populations and can ill afford to lose more young men. It's something Putin has to take into account. When they were the Soviet Union they had 375 million people and could afford to throw men into battle. They're about 140 million now and have low life expectancy for men but at the same time are aging out. So the longer this war goes the more pressure Putin is going to feel to end it. Whether y'all like it or not Russia's ability to wage war has been greatly diminished by this war.

Putin hater

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Why are you repeating back to me what I just said?

Why are you trying to worm out of what you said?

I'm not.
I'm asking you why you repeated it back to me.
Use your brain.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Putin hater

I do not think van is a bad guy. I do believe if someone waves the American flag he’s on board because he thinks that’s the patriotic way no matter what, even if he knows better.

I personally believe that as Americans, we should always question our leadership. That’s the way our system was set up by the founding fathers.

If you truly believe, as I know he does that the former administration was laundering and at the very least squandering money. There’s no way you could really support this. It was a rotten apple from the start on our end.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

You said that three years ago you were saying they could've saved themselves a lot of grief because they would've ended up negotiating to end the war by conceding territory anyways.

Yes.

Except that wouldn't have happened three years ago.

It would have if the Western nations hadn't tanked the deal. Why not just admit you are wrong instead of doing this embarrassing dance you're doing?