Should you lose your seniority?

[BigUnionGuy]

You can call me a "street rat" all you want. I couldn't care less.

Dave,

Being an "off the street" hire, is only part of the reason, people "gang up" on you.

Via your posts, the perception is.... you are cozy with management. Thats it.


Most elected officials will welcome intelligent, self-informed members.

It can spur healthy debate.

But, getting over that "company guy" hurdle....

(Even for members on the safety committee)

I still do not agree that UPS is split between PT and FT employees. You are hired by a company. That should be your seniority date.

I have always understood that point.

But, (way back when) it never crossed my mind....

To think, my status as a part-timer should equal that, of a full-timer ??



-Bug-

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Dave,

Being an "off the street" hire, is only part of the reason, people "gang up" on you.

Via your posts, the perception is.... you are cozy with management. Thats it.


Most elected officials will welcome intelligent, self-informed members.

It can spur healthy debate.

But, getting over that "company guy" hurdle....

(Even for members on the safety committee)





I have always understood that point.

But, (way back when) it never crossed my mind....

To think, my status as a part-timer should equal that, of a full-timer ??



-Bug-

No, they are upset because they think that I didn't "earn" my position by working my way up through the system.

I'm not going to apologize for my cordial relationship with my management team. It doesn't always have to be "us" vs "them".

I do consider myself to be a well informed member.

 

[Mugarolla]

I have always understood that point.

But, (way back when) it never crossed my mind....

To think, my status as a part-timer should equal that, of a full-timer ??



-Bug-

I understand most full time employees consider part timers to be second class employees.

Your status at UPS should be how long you have been here, irregardless of whether you are FT or PT.

A 2 year FT employee thinks he is better, and more important than, a 30 year PTer.

In the same way management thinks they are better, and more important, than the hourly.

What a company we work for.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

To be fair, for most FTers, this is our career, not just a job.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Uh.... since forever ??

Does your local, not have a "written" seniority practice ??



-Bug-

I mean a Feeder driver actually delivering packages. Most will go on unemployment first.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I mean a Feeder driver actually delivering packages. Most will go on unemployment first.

If they turn down comparable work can they still file for unemployment?

 

[PT Car Washer]

If they turn down comparable work can they still file for unemployment?

Don't know. I do know I have never seen a Feeder driver bump into package car when laid off. Heard them say "my hands aren't made to pick up boxes". We did have a Feeder driver work in the hub for a year unloading when he was busted for drunk driving. He never asked for any easy jobs just did what he was told.

 

[East coast navy]

If they turn down comparable work can they still file for unemployment?

No. They can not becouse the work was offered to them. If a Ft is offered Pt work then they can file Pt unemployment.

 

[Mugarolla]

I mean a Feeder driver actually delivering packages. Most will go on unemployment first.

The only problem is that they will not have insurance for any week they do not work. Some gamble and take a lay-off. If they have something serious happen while they are off, they can always pay the COBRA and get it covered.

If they turn down comparable work can they still file for unemployment?

Yes, at least in the Central

Don't know. I do know I have never seen a Feeder driver bump into package car when laid off. Heard them say "my hands aren't made to pick up boxes". We did have a Feeder driver work in the hub for a year unloading when he was busted for drunk driving. He never asked for any easy jobs just did what he was told.

In the Central, a feeder driver cannot bump into packages if he was not previously qualified in packages, or have done packages regularly in the past 18 months.

No. They can not becouse the work was offered to them. If a Ft is offered Pt work then they can file Pt unemployment.

In the Central, a FT employee can bump 1 or 2 PT employees, but does not have to. He can elect to take a lay-off and still collect unemployment.

Article 3 Central Region Supplement

Section 5-Full-time Employees

In the event of a layoff of a full-time employee, he/she shall have
the right to displace the least senior full-time employee in any classification,
for which they were previously qualified, to remain in
his/her center. Previously qualified is defined as having regularly
performed said work sometime during the previous eighteen (18)
months.

In the event the employee has not been qualified in any classification,
he/she may exercise their rights as per Article 3, Section 6 or
exercise their right to bump to another center as outlined below.

Section 6

If a laid-off, fulltime employee elects to take a layoff rather than exercise his/her
right to displace a part-time employee, he/she shall be considered a
laid-off employee for lack of work for the purpose of unemployment
compensation.

 

[East coast navy]

In the Central, a FT employee can bump 1 or 2 PT employees, but does not have to. He can elect to take a lay-off and still collect unemployment.

Article 3 Central Region Supplement

Section 5-Full-time Employees

In the event of a layoff of a full-time employee, he/she shall have
the right to displace the least senior full-time employee in any classification,
for which they were previously qualified, to remain in
his/her center. Previously qualified is defined as having regularly
performed said work sometime during the previous eighteen (18)
months.

In the event the employee has not been qualified in any classification,
he/she may exercise their rights as per Article 3, Section 6 or
exercise their right to bump to another center as outlined below.

Section 6

If a laid-off, fulltime employee elects to take a layoff rather than exercise his/her
right to displace a part-time employee, he/she shall be considered a
laid-off employee for lack of work for the purpose of unemployment
compensation.

In local 177, if work is offered when layoffs take place the employee can not choose to file for unemployment

 

[PT Car Washer]

The only problem is that they will not have insurance for any week they do not work. Some gamble and take a lay-off. If they have something serious happen while they are off, they can always pay the COBRA and get it covered.



Yes, at least in the Central



In the Central, a feeder driver cannot bump into packages if he was not previously qualified in packages, or have done packages regularly in the past 18 months.



In the Central, a FT employee can bump 1 or 2 PT employees, but does not have to. He can elect to take a lay-off and still collect unemployment.

Article 3 Central Region Supplement

Section 5-Full-time Employees

In the event of a layoff of a full-time employee, he/she shall have
the right to displace the least senior full-time employee in any classification,
for which they were previously qualified, to remain in
his/her center. Previously qualified is defined as having regularly
performed said work sometime during the previous eighteen (18)
months.

In the event the employee has not been qualified in any classification,
he/she may exercise their rights as per Article 3, Section 6 or
exercise their right to bump to another center as outlined below.

Section 6

If a laid-off, fulltime employee elects to take a layoff rather than exercise his/her
right to displace a part-time employee, he/she shall be considered a
laid-off employee for lack of work for the purpose of unemployment
compensation.

Sure you are right on what you are saying. Most times UPS will work laid off Feeders 1 or 2 days a week to tide them over from what I have seen.

 

[East coast navy]

It's different all over.

Even Locals within the same Region, can have different seniority practices.

That's what Local Union autonomy is all about.

But I gotta say.... yours is almost debilitating, as far as movement. Like a penalty.



-Bug-

It's getting crazy in local 177. Everyone is upset with each other on this issue. Seems to be a mixed bag. One side says yes other side says no.