Someone Clarify Thanksgiving Holiday Changes??

[UnconTROLLed]

I'm going to make $533 for 8 hours on Black Friday, dangerous for someone who is anti-shopper.

Bang in?

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Since it will be a "normal" work day but at double time for all hours worked you can bet your ass that routes will be cut. I fully expect to see the on car or manager standing in front of the manning board with their cell phone calling to see who wants to stay home. Just like any other normal day.

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[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I heard not in 804 though...because of some language in our supplement. Haven't heard anything at work about Black Friday being a regular work day...only on BC.

I heard that from,our BA.

 

[fres431]

It is a regular work day----there is no volunteering or being forced to work as everyone who is not on vacation will be working.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I tink I will work,just to be a D**'***d. thats alot of beer money!...lol. and a nice something extra,for the 401k

 

[bleedinbrown58]

I tink I will work,just to be a D**'***d. thats alot of beer money!...lol. and a nice something extra,for the 401k

For time and a half...I'd work it.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

I heard that from,our BA.

But I think the supplement language is that UPS can't FORCE us to touch or deliver ground...if they can get enough volunteers to work...than its a different story. Not sure if we work ground if its double time or time and a half.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

For time and a half...I'd work it.

I havent for a few years.
It is an ez monry day. especially when theycut routes,and have unplanned things happen. Iive had several 11 and 12 hour days!...lol

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

The first few years I worked that day. it was straIght time and time worked only.

Now its time and a half and a 8 hour guarantee.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

I havent for a few years.
It is an ez monry day. especially when theycut routes,and have unplanned things happen. Iive had several 11 and 12 hour days!...lol

I worked black friday and the saturday sorts last year for the first time in years...it was an easy day. Saturday sorts are a pain in the ass...but it's a sweet paycheck...lol

 

[bleedinbrown58]

The first few years I worked that day. it was straIght time and time worked only.

Now its time and a half and a 8 hour guarantee.

Black Friday..air only was time and a half...but PTers get no 3.5 guarantee that day.

 

[hondo]

UPS and HOFFA agree on ALOT of things after the fact that the MEMBERS dont seem to have a say in and thats what ticks me off.

What is stupid to me is that the majority of the volume they are talking about comes the days following Thanksgiving. Black Friday isnt until AFTER Thanksgiving. Cyber Monday is the Monday FOLLOWING Thanksgiving weekend. So tell me why the volume is going to be SOOOOOOO heavy? If history is ANY indication people DO NOT order in a timely fashion. They wait until the last minute! In my area that ONE day of running isnt going to make a dent in anything.

The weather and amazon created an emergency last year and it got forced into being OUR emergency this year. I dont agree with that.

We lose the Day after Thanksgiving and we can kiss it goodbye from now on.

Apparently (& I think it sounds credible) there has been a huge dropoff in volume leading up to our 4 day Thanksgiving weekend, as shippers diverted volume to other carriers. They hope to recapture those packages.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I have not seen any sign of loosing the fri after thanksgiving, its still in the contract guys

The operational change was made after the contract was ratified.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

The operational change was made after the contract was ratified.

Another, Hoffa ....stick It to us.!...side deals

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Mr. Weber is a dinosaur. I get into an argument with him at just about every union meeting now. Local will be much better off when he goes out to pasture. He has been AWOL from the office much of the past few years for personal reasons.

Correct me if I am wrong....

Didn't Bob, lose a Local election ?

And then, was appointed to position with the IBT ?

That might explain, why you haven't seen him much.

No it does not. But if UPS believes that 1/4 or 1/2 or whatever percentage of their pickup accounts will be closed that day, and that they will be extremely "light," they will just schedule the bottom 10% "on call" for the entire week. With no start time and an on call status, the bottom 10% has NO guarantees for the week.

Unless your Local has a "written" procedure, that differs from the Central Region Language....

There is no "On Call" in the package division.

Or, the Air Dept.

Or, 22.3's

Or, part-timers.

Feeder's, can be different. (Depending on the Local)

You did not read far enough into Article 15

Section 4

Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, regular seniority
employees required to work on any of the above named holidays
shall receive double his/her regular hourly rate for all hours worked
with a guarantee of eight (8) hours for full-time employees and four
(4) hours for part-time employees. Also, no employee shall be
required to work on Labor Day unless authorized by the local union.

UPS and Hoffa agreed that this clause means that UPS can work that day, force all employees to work and they just have to pay them doubletime. I know it contradicts Section 1, but what can we do besides not come in. If it is a Holiday that the contract says we do not have to work, how can they charge us for an attendance occurrence if we do not come in?

We need to have all the ambiguity clarified in the contract. This has been going on far too long where the contract is "interpreted" because the language is vague.

Like I posted earlier.... Section 4.... has been there since 1982.

If you go in chronological order....

Section 4 supersedes, Section 1.


It sucks. But, that's the way it is.



-Bug-

 

[bottomups]

Correct me if I am wrong....

Didn't Bob, lose a Local election ?

And then, was appointed to position with the IBT ?

That might explain, why you haven't seen him much.



Unless your Local has a "written" procedure, that differs from the Central Region Language....

There is no "On Call" in the package division.

Or, the Air Dept.

Or, 22.3's

Or, part-timers.

Feeder's, can be different. (Depending on the Local)



Like I posted earlier.... Section 4.... has been there since 1982.

If you go in chronological order....

Section 4 supersedes, Section 1.


It sucks. But, that's the way it is.



-Bug-

Mr. Weber was never a member of the executive board that I know of. He has been a BA since at least 1981 in our local when I started. He knows the contract inside and out but sometimes I wish he would be a little more hardcore with the company. He has played a large part in negotiations the past few contracts both on the national and local level.
I believe his spouse has had some medical issues lately that has kept him away from the hall.

 

[Anonymous 11]

This language has been in the contract at least since this contract. Nothing got snuck in. This was no concession. This was here at least 38 years. The conspiracy theory started 38 years ago. I don't have anything that goes back any further. Sorry.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

View attachment 16164 View attachment 16163 This language has been in the contract at least since this contract. Nothing got snuck in. This was no concession. This was here at least 38 years. The conspiracy theory started 38 years ago. I don't have anything that goes back any further. Sorry.

And.... there is this.

-Bug-

 

[Bubblehead]

View attachment 16164 View attachment 16163 This language has been in the contract at least since this contract. Nothing got snuck in. This was no concession. This was here at least 38 years. The conspiracy theory started 38 years ago. I don't have anything that goes back any further. Sorry.

Then it has been poorly worded for at least 38 years.
The first words in section 4 of article 15 are "Except as otherwise provide in this agreement".
In this agreement, in the same article, it is provided for that we are not required to work on 8 clearly named holidays.
The language is flimsy and contradicting, why not challenge it, the company would?
A four day weekend immediately preceding peak madness certainly seems worth it for those who covet it?

 

[Bubblehead]

Personally, for the record, I demand at least 8 hrs anytime they are willing to pay double time plus holiday pay.
The thing to remember is that it isn't always about me, rather the greater good of the entire bargaining unit.
Nobody should be required to work on a named holiday because the contract says so.
Haven't we given up enough already?
No more concessions.