Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
OK. They can lay off the bottom 10% due to lack of volume. On call is basically laid off. You are just given the chance to work a day, or 2, or 3 as volume dictates.
Someone Clarify Thanksgiving Holiday Changes??
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Bubblehead
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What do the opening words in section 4 mean, "except as otherwise provided in this agreement"?
BigUnionGuy
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I would like to believe, we could rely on the "clear and plain meaning".
The whole contract is written in legalese.... with intentional vagueness. (in my opinion)
-Bug-
Bubblehead
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In many cases, I would agree, but not here.
This isn't a case of legalese or vaguities, rather a poorly written article that contradicts itself at the very least and renders section 4 obsolete if taken literally.
I'll give you another example in the Central Region Supplement, the infamous Art 17(i) which reads:
(i) other cardinal offenses, the Company and the Union agree that
there are offenses where an employee may be suspended in lieu of
discharge
If taken literally, you would believe that the company would enact this article to suspend an employee instead of discharging them.
Somehow though, it works in reverse, allowing the company to jump over progressive discipline.
I think the powers that be hate it when we actually read and digest contractual language.
Instead, they would rather just tell us what it was supposed to say.
No need to fix the problems when we can just treat the symptoms.
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TooTechie
Geek in Brown
Keep reading. It then goes on to say if they are required to work what the pay rate will be. Garbage contract language.
hardball88
get'r done
Who the heck is B. Weber?
muthatrucka
Well-Known Member
With the beating we took last year it seems we were doing a poor job of handling the volume we had. It's no secret that this place is under staffed on purpose is it? Been that way for the 20 yrs I've been around anyway and I look for it to continue.
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HULKAMANIA
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See you bring up a very valid point. Not only did the storm last year happen in Texas, and the idiocy of amazon guaranteeing shipping on orders, but we had to deal with being DEATHLY understaffed! That was supposed to be worked on this year. So tell me how we are going to be in such a jam when that volume they speak of wont even be in the system yet? I just dont understand how they dont see that. How will running people heavily the Day after Thanksgiving clear up volume thats not there?
Here is whats next fellas since we are gonna roll over like morons and take it. Next they will be saying NO VACATIONS to be taken the Week of Thanksgiving. You heard it here first.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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You can count on that for 2015.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
A BA in WI.
RealPerson
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Understaffed, is going to continue to be a problem.
in my area, after people work till break ... HAHA yep, or maybe a week, they say "friend" that amount of work for LOW pay.... (part timers)
Wow starting wage is $10 now, well so. McDonalds down the street hires at $9+ No 70lbs burgers coming down the fry line.. HAHA
I "heard" that insurance kicks in faster now for Part Timers, but I think that is because of Obama care, not anything the Union / Ups did...
We had a guy double shift last night who has only been with UPS 4 days... hahahha... Use to be a fight to double shift...
BigUnionGuy
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What is vaguities ? I think I know.... what you mean.
Unfortunately, this isn't a "court of law".
And the IBT's legal dept. is always involved in contract negotiations.
That is the quickest way.... to get labeled as a "locker room lawyer".
"I know more, than the people who negotiated this contract language".
Bubble.... I understand your motivation.
But, Sam was the same way. Has he lost his vigor ?
-Bug-
Bubblehead
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If it weren't for spell check I wouldn't have a chance.
Sorry that got by me.
vaguities
Root word: I thought vague, (when actually it's vacant?) vacuity.
My own mix?
I like it my way, perhaps I'll petition Websters?
I only know what I read on the subject.
My parents used to get away with telling me "because I said so", but I no longer have to accept that explanation.
I was really hoping for an angle, an Old English interpretation, a precedent, etc. that I hadn't considered.
That's how I learn.
I know I didn't negotiate the contract.
I'm not sure you understand me at all if you imply I'm anything like Sam, and yes, he still has what he's always had and it's unimpressive and shallow.
Unlike Sam, I don't chase windmills.
I ask questions and listen to answers, or as in this case, the lack thereof.
BigUnionGuy
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After re-reading what I posted, and your response....
It looks like, I inferred that. But, it's not what I meant.
That particular part (section 4) is the penalty, if required to work on a named Holiday.
Alleging, that it is somehow wrong (38 years later).... is wishful thinking.
-Bug-
TooTechie
Geek in Brown
They can't in most areas. There is language about what percentage can take vacation when.
hardball88
get'r done
We know less than the negotiators because many times we're left outside to fend for ourselves... at street level...without the tools to understand.
It would be easier not to care if...that was a possibility for some of us.
Therefore, we pick our poison. And are extremely frustrated with the good ol boys clubs.
Lone rangers or pawns. Choose your poison. Forget about accountability.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Most UPS members, have that "defeatist" attitude.
That's why I continually try and browbeat (through sheer guilt) people in to voting....
Or, attending your Local's monthly meeting. Getting involved, would solve a lot of problems.
Case and point:
http://tdu.org/news/weve-topped-10000
TDU.... is almost bragging.
10,600 signatures, is less than 1% of the IBT membership.
But they post this stuff, along with all the voting results.
Is it any wonder.... why things happen ? Thanks TDU.
-Bug-
