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Someone Clarify Thanksgiving Holiday Changes??
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Bubblehead
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So, if you call in and take yourself out of service for that day it's not an attendance infraction?
"Not required to work"=not required to work.
It will be a call off but if your attendance is good who really cares.
Bubblehead
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I would make that argument!!!
At worst,it's called an occurrence.
I'm afforded 6 in 9 months.
Bubblehead
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Where I'm at, $100/hr???
I'm all in.
I'm all in.
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Even if I had 7 in 9 I bet they wait until after peak to have the hearing to put me off work for discipline.
One driver was scheduled to appear at a hearing for attendance infractions and he called off on the day of the hearing. Now that's funny.
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Bubblehead
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I know a guy who hasn't had a local level hearing on a suspension for 5 months.
Oh God, we have 8 paid holidays.
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Prob because the "great communicator" is AWOL or filibustering elsewhere.
Irishman Collins
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Bubblehead where are all the geniuses now? Lol!
BigUnionGuy
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Trying to argue semantics, will not alter the meaning of language to your liking.
File a grievance. Ask for an interp of that section. It's really that simple.
If I am wrong.... how is it.... we have always run air products on that day ?
And, (if you weren't scheduled as air support) you received Holiday pay + double-time ?
I'm not being obtuse.
Neither will the JAC panel be.... when they deny grievances on the issue.
But, it doesn't hurt to try. It means you're thinking. That's more than I can say, for some.
-Bug-
Bubblehead
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It's not semantics, it's clear language.Trying to argue semantics, will not alter the meaning of language to your liking.
File a grievance. Ask for an interp of that section. It's really that simple.
If I am wrong.... how is it.... we have always run air products on that day ?
And, (if you weren't scheduled as air support) you received Holiday pay + double-time ?
I'm not being obtuse.
Neither will the JAC panel be.... when they deny grievances on the issue.
But, it doesn't hurt to try. It means you're thinking. That's more than I can say, for some.
-Bug-
There isn't 2 ways to read this article.
It is not vague or incomplete.
"No employee shall be required".
"Except as otherwise provided"
You ask: If I am wrong.... how is it.... we have always run air products on that day?
That's easy, Article 40 in the National Master supersedes any forward language contained in any supplement or adendum and clearly provides for premium services on these days and who will perform the work.
That's where "otherwise provided" comes in.
Article 40 doesn't however provide for ground to be delivered on these paid holidays, so Article 15 comes into play and clearly states:
A regular seniority employee shall not be required to work on the following eight (8) named holidays-New Year’s Day, Memorial
Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, day after
Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve-regardless
of the day of the week on which the named holiday falls, provided
they comply with the qualifications set forth hereinafter.
BUG, I don't doubt that if and when this is challenged at various state or JAC panels that it will be shoved straight up our backsides.
We agree on this.
The language in Article 15 of the Central Region Supplement is good, strong and clearly written and designed to protect the employee and their family during these 8 named holidays.
Yet the powers that be elect to jump in bed once again with the company, instead of fighting for the member.
Just another reason for a great big shake up in 2016, something needs to give.
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BigUnionGuy
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You are missing the "caveat" in Section 4. (or ignoring it)
http://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/06242014_77983_central_region-final.pdf
Section 4
"Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, regular seniority employees required to work on any of the above named holidays shall receive double his/her regular hourly rate for all hours worked with a guarantee of eight (8) hours for full-time employees and four (4) hours for part-time employees. Also, no employee shall be required to work on Labor Day unless authorized by the local union."
That is the escape clause, for that particular "named" Holiday.
All others, are off the table. The company.... then pays the monetary penalty.
Fred and Sandy....
It's like Ron Carey all over again. And we know, how that turned out.
-Bug-
Or working his side job.
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He has a side job? Or just a hypothesis?
Bubblehead
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You're missing the "caveat" in Section 1. (or ignoring it)
A regular seniority employee shall not be required to work on the following eight (8) named holidays-New Year’s Day, Memorial
Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, day after
Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve-regardless
of the day of the week on which the named holiday falls, provided
they comply with the qualifications set forth hereinafter.
Why is the first sentence in there?
The only escape clause, as it is written, is contained in Article 40 of the National Master and it only provides for the delivery and pickup of premium service packages, not a full day of business as usual.
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Looks like the only escape clause covers Labor Day...unless the local gives in.
Oh well, it keeps me from being dragged to the mall that day.
Nope he has a side business.
What would you like to get out of it? Ups is making it a regular day now. So it's going to be a regular day. What else would you need?
