TDU?

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

The question was whether it would make sense to take $.65 up front or $.40 and $.40.

Yes for the first year $.65 is good
Second year would you rather have $.65 or $.80
Third year same question
Fourth year same question till 25th year
You would be losing $.15/hr a year for 24 years

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Yes for the first year $.65 is good
Second year would you rather have $.65 or $.80
Third year same question
Fourth year same question till 25th year
You would be losing $.15/hr a year for 24 years

Is the $.80 a split raise?

 

[Lead Belly]

Cmon stinker... If Sean the Boston bully told you the sky was blue you would believe him!!

That's hilarious

 

[Lead Belly]

Is the $.80 a split raise?

Yep

 

[wide load]

You just backed yourself into a corner... You make this easy SON!! If hall was responsible back in 1997 .... He must be responsible for all the concessions that 95% of my local are complaining about now! Fact or fiction son?

Are you slow? The only concession that I am seeing is from your hometown's educational system.

 

[Lead Belly]

To some, that may not be such a bad thing, as there are a lot of pensions that are not funded enough to guarantee the benefits when an employee retires. I would rather have a larger pension than have a raise that I may gross a grand a year for ten more years, based on a .50 raise. I'm not saying that I am endorsing TDU, if Hoff/Hall proposed this I wouldn't complain either. I just want to keep what we have.

My pension is 106% funded. Why would I want that. Western conference of teamsters is 90% funded.

 

[anHOURover]

Are you slow? The only concession that I am seeing is from your hometown's educational system.

You don't even know where my hometown is son!! You support concession workers as union officers

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Yes for the first year $.65 is good
Second year would you rather have $.65 or $.80
Third year same question
Fourth year same question till 25th year
You would be losing $.15/hr a year for 24 years

Are you sure about that?

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

Are you sure about that?

It's only a split the first year

 

[anHOURover]

It's only a split the first year

Are you hall? Sounds like your the number 1 fan of split raises

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Are you sure about that?

Thats the gist of it.

Take the .65 on the front end, and you lose over the life of the contract.

With the split, you lose short term.... but gain overall in the end.



-Bug-

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Thats the gist of it.

Take the .65 on the front end, and you lose over the life of the contract.

With the split, you lose short term.... but gain overall in the end.



-Bug-

The math does not support your position.

A split raise of $.80 works out to a $.60 annual raise.

Take the $.65.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

The math does not support your position.

Sure it does.

A .65 cent raise verses.... a split .40 and .40 cent raise.


You lose .25 cents an hour for 6 months.

At the end of the year.... you have .65 cents as opposed to .80 cents.


Every subsequent year, you either have .65 cents or .80 cents.


Short term or long term. You make more in the end, with the split raise.



-Bug-

 

[wide load]

You don't even know where my hometown is son!! You support concession workers as union officers

I support a guy that makes me $37 an hour after this contract.

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

The math does not support your position.

A split raise of $.80 works out to a $.60 annual raise.

Take the $.65.

How does it end up being $.60 raise after a year?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I support a guy that makes me $37 an hour after this contract.

It's not going to be Tim.

He (and I use that term loosely) barely kept his members in a job.



-Bug-

 

[realbrown1]

It's not going to be Tim.

He (and I use that term loosely) barely kept his members in a job.



-Bug-

I am glad that the Old Guard finally admits that it was Tim, not Ken, that saved those driver's jobs.

 

[realbrown1]

Sure it does.

A .65 cent raise verses.... a split .40 and .40 cent raise.


You lose .25 cents an hour for 6 months.

At the end of the year.... you have .65 cents as opposed to .80 cents.


Every subsequent year, you either have .65 cents or .80 cents.


Short term or long term. You make more in the end, with the split raise.



-Bug-

I am fine with split raises.

It does sacrifice a little in the short term for long term gains.

I'll take that anytime.

 

[wide load]

 

[804brown]

So did I.

Were there leans times ? Yep.

But, "I kept my nose to the grindstone" (as so many of us did)

And made the most of it.


With the turn-over rate @ 85%, I question the desire and work ethic.

That (observation).... is not lost on others.



-Bug-

Wow, the arrogance of you Old Guardistas. Maybe the turnover rate is so high because the pay sucks for the amount of physical labor put in. Maybe they could make same money working in air conditioned Walmart. Maybe they feel unrepresented by an Old Guard "leadership" that ignores them, keeps them in the dark or looks down on them.