Tentative agreement

[Skooney]

So I'friend I'm reading this correct, and you are a part timer who's been there, say 2 years, and you make 12.50 (I don't know the wage scale, sorry... But this is close I'm guessing?), August 1st of this year you would get a .50 cent raise, and then you are stuck making $2.50 over the next 5 years? Where as a guy who is making say, $14.50 gets the full general wage increase of $4.15?

Who in their right mind votes yes for this ?

 

[Wontmake9.5]

Garbage language! Garbage contract. Wrong people negotiating this one. Hoffa will be the death to all unions!! UPS made 6 Billion. And their negotiating like we took a bailout FROM THE GOVT! get a clue! We’re all tired. And unlike some of you, I like to work. We’re killing ourselves for people who take a on us daily.

People kill themselves everyday for employers that don’t care about their employees. Union is corrupt as hell so I can’t say that I’m surprised about the contract but on the flip side there isn’t many places I can go make what I make with insurance and such. Will wait for the details to be hashed our before my vote.

 

[Tony Q]

Yeah exactly 5 years again is not an improvement. Lol

No offense but they have been 5 years for a while now, with the exception of the 5 year 7 month one that just beat the Great Recession/Depression.

 

[wide load]

Sure, shoot. The reason doesn't speak for everyone, though.

Cuz millennials DO NOT WANT TO WORK FT OR DRIVE FOR UPS!





I’m just friend’n with you. But seriously, in our 400 route building, 50 pass on FT driving for every 1.

 

[WorkingAsDirected]

“I am confident that once the membership has reviewed and understood the changes, they will see that this agreement is among the very best ever negotiated for UPS members,” said Denis T, co-chairman of the Teamsters UPS National Negotiating committee. “

Replace very best with worse.

 

[CoolStoryBro]

I vote no if the $1 wage increase for not being on the 9.5 list isn't in there.

4.15$ over 5 years comes out to 2.15% average yearly increase for full time drivers.

 

[mikejonesjr]

So I'friend I'm reading this correct, and you are a part timer who's been there, say 2 years, and you make 12.50 (I don't know the wage scale, sorry... But this is close I'm guessing?), August 1st of this year you would get a .50 cent raise, and then you are stuck making $2.50 over the next 5 years? Where as a guy who is making say, $14.50 gets the full general wage increase of $4.15?

Who in their right mind votes yes for this ?

No a current pter will get the $4.15 . It's those hired after Aug 1st that get the $2.50. But essentially someone working 6 years by 2022 will make like a dollar more than someone brand new. I hope I'm wrong

 

[Blackstream]

So let me get this straight... they claim 'we eliminated the two tier wages for PTers you guys'.... except only the current PTers will get the GWI, and the new PTers just get the starting wage increase for 5 years. So in 5 years, a new PTer will make the same wage as a PTer with 5 years seniority.

That's a ing two tier wage system, it's just that the lower tier gets no raises but gets pushed up by the floor while the higher tier gets GWI and moves slightly faster than the floor.

This contract is a deal for PTers too, I'm voting no on this contract so ing hard. ing 2018, and the raises we're getting are like 20 cents total higher than the raises we got 5 years ago, so basically our raises are worth less this contract than they were last contract. And the last contract was ratified when the economy sucked and it's booming right now.

I'm 100% ready to strike this insult of a contract now.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

This garbage tentative agreement is a sign of how weak the Teamsters Union is.

You are all going to get bent over.

 

[Skooney]

No a current pter will get the $4.15 . It's those hired after Aug 1st that get the $2.50. But essentially someone working 6 years by 2022 will make like a dollar more than someone brand new. I hope I'm wrong

It says there will be no 2 tier wages, everyone will make at least $13. So it would actually be like $1.65 more. Lol.

 

[Number-Nine]

What's a hybrid driver?

 

[specter208]

So I'friend I'm reading this correct, and you are a part timer who's been there, say 2 years, and you make 12.50 (I don't know the wage scale, sorry... But this is close I'm guessing?), August 1st of this year you would get a .50 cent raise, and then you are stuck making $2.50 over the next 5 years? Where as a guy who is making say, $14.50 gets the full general wage increase of $4.15?

Who in their right mind votes yes for this ?

It goes like this currently.
Unskilled PT such as loader/unloader/small sort

$10.00>$10.50>$11.00>$12.00>$12.50

Skilled PT such as Pre-Loader/Sorter(Local Sort)/PT Yard Shifter/Hazmat Responder/etc.

$11.00>$11.50>$12.00>$13.00>$13.50

 

[Skooney]

So let me get this straight... they claim 'we eliminated the two tier wages for PTers you guys'.... except only the current PTers will get the GWI, and the new PTers just get the starting wage increase for 5 years. So in 5 years, a new PTer will make the same wage as a PTer with 5 years seniority.

That's a ing two tier wage system, it's just that the lower tier gets no raises but gets pushed up by the floor while the higher tier gets GWI and moves slightly faster than the floor.

This contract is a deal for PTers too, I'm voting no on this contract so ing hard. ing 2018, and the raises we're getting are like 20 cents total higher than the raises we got 5 years ago, so basically our raises are worth less this contract than they were last contract. And the last contract was ratified when the economy sucked and it's booming right now.

I'm 100% ready to strike this insult of a contract now.

Huh?

Bro, no. A current part timer making less than $13 will go to $13 and get then get the GWI. Everyone will be at least $13.00 an hour. GWI would put you at $17.15.

 

[Bubblehead]

Isn't it funny how most of the full-timers blame the part-timers' lack of representation on the fact that they don't vote, and then when the company makes a proposal that at least a decent amount of part-timers would jump on (22.4 jobs) and are offered a bonus (assuming that'll actually happen) it's called "selling out" when full-timers have been selling out the part-timers for years on end by passing through ty contracts without a second thought to how it affects their part-time brothers and sisters? Seriously ridiculous.

What don't you understand about the word "MAJORITY"???

Part time employees have been the "MAJORITY"....."for years", so yes they are absolutely to blame and it's not funny.

What I find "funny" is your assertion that part time employees would "jump on" these proposed 22.4 hybrid driver jobs?

Why would that be, when they are passing on full time driver jobs at an unprecedented rate.
Took me 8 years, 32 years ago to get a full time driving gig, while those interested now are going in as little as a year?

Most people will always vote in favor of their interests, if they choose to vote....

....so those tasked to set the terms will always cater to the voting base.

Will the UPS part timers ever wake up, or will they continue to claim that they were "sold out"?

 

[CoolStoryBro]

What's a hybrid driver?

22.4 driver. delivers on saturday and sunday. probably works local sort or preload a few days during the week. Lower wage. Thats my best guess right now. Details have not been released.

 

[CoolStoryBro]

I won't vote yes unless we got our share of the tax cuts in a bonus check. CHA-CHING. PAY ME TWENNY FIVE HUNNED.

 

[Skooney]

I won't vote yes unless we got our share of the tax cuts in a bonus check. CHA-CHING. PAY ME TWENNY FIVE HUNNED.

TWENNY FIVE HUNNED!

 

[mikejonesjr]

It says there will be no 2 tier wages, everyone will make at least $13. So it would actually be like $1.65 more. Lol.

Imagine working almost 7 years by 2022 to make 1.65 more than the new kid on his first day. This was the big win for part timers you can't be serious

 

[Slacker45]

If hybrid drivers are in this I will vote no. I'm pt, and you all bitch that part timers won't vote, or will vote yes. If you want them to vote for the benefit of the union I suggest you inform them that this company will abuse the he'll out of the hybrid drivers, and that they arent putting their time in as a loader to work for less.

The only reason I work for this company is the benefits and an opportunity to become a driver. That means i want the best contract for drivers possible. I think loaders deserve 15, but I will happily vote no if my "future" is less than any driver working right now.

Not only will I strike for better driver "benefits" but I will probably quit if the 2 tier/hybrid system happens. I came to this company (not long ago but still) to make money, and i refuse to agree to a system that reduces my pay significantly in the long run even if I make more in the next few years.

Inform your part timers to hang in there, and that while they might get full time this will only hurt them. I will quit my pt job if I can't make full time driver with the same amount of pay that you all make. I knew what I signed up for when I started, and it wasn't to make $6 less and hour, and a much lower cap then you all do. I will put my time in, make my seniority but god as my witness I will stand for no 2 tier, and every part timer should be with me. The little gains we make in becoming full time will never make up for the overall loss.

Stand with me, stand with your part timers, stand strong, and teamsters unite. We are all brothers/sister's let's stand against this (I'm just some chump kid and i see through this. No lie I will quit over this. I want a future in this company, and i haven't even put in the time as half the other kids) please stand strong brothers

 

[Coldworld]

The same way it will affect my performance.

Millennials DO NOT WANT TO WORK FT OR DRIVE FOR UPS!

they don’t want to deal with all of ups’ ....I think that is what’s going on