Tentative agreement

[Coldworld]

Imagine working almost 7 years by 2022 to make 1.65 more than the new kid on his first day. This was the big win for part timers you can't be serious

It’s a ing no vote from me...

 

[Bubblehead]

Imagine working almost 7 years by 2022 to make 1.65 more than the new kid on his first day. This was the big win for part timers you can't be serious

They want to perpetuate the high turnover rate?

 

[Brownslave688]

Can’t wait !!!

Is 407 back?

 

[TearsInRain]

oh look PT's got peanuts again

what a shocker

 

[burrheadd]

Is 407 back?

Don’t know who it is must be somebody’s minion

 

[Superteeth2478]

What don't you understand about the word "MAJORITY"???

Part time employees have been the "MAJORITY"....."for years", so yes they are absolutely to blame and it's not funny.

What I find "funny" is your assertion that part time employees would "jump on" these proposed 22.4 hybrid driver jobs?

Why would that be, when they are passing on full time driver jobs at an unprecedented rate.
Took me 8 years, 32 years ago to get a full time driving gig, while those interested now are going in as little as a year?

Most people will always vote in favor of their interests, if they choose to vote....

....so those tasked to set the terms will always cater to the voting base.

Will the UPS part timers ever wake up, or will they continue to claim that they were "sold out"?

Never said the part-timers weren't to blame (at least to an extent, what with the chicken or the egg problem with part-time representation). Thing is that now a lot of part-timers will see what is in all actuality a crappy deal that sounds good in the short-term, and if they do vote (again, most won't), they'll probably vote yes. At the very least you can expect those at $10.35 unskilled and $11.00 skilled to jump on a $2.00 raise like it means something in the long run. And guess what, they won't give two hoots about how it will affect full-timers or even themselves in the long run. And that's because there hasn't been a brotherhood between the part-timers and the full-timers ever since the pay rates between the two diverged 30+ years ago.

At the end of the day it's not about who sold the part-timers out (whether it be the union or the company), or even if they were "sold out" at all. A brotherhood is supposed to fight for each other.

At some point the full-timers should have bent down and offered a helping hand to the part-timers, but that hasn't happened in the past how many contracts? So let's see how this plays out now that you have easily bought part-timers to vote against. Because you better believe that the union and the company are going to spin this to get part-timers to vote yes, and remember, they outnumber the full-timers greatly. So of all the times full-timers have been blaming part-timers for their lot due to them not voting, this is really the time they'd better pray that they don't vote.

 

[Brownpants80]

I'm confused. I'm a full time driver, hit my 1 year a couple months ago. I only make 19.50..... so new guys in this new position will make more then I do?!

 

[Coldworld]

I don't need it anymore.

Vote no bud.... I’m headed down to the strike bunker to fire it up...we’re going to def-con orange...all mandatory strike bunker employees report to your stations...all non mandatory personnel you are on standby...this is not a drill...I repeat this is not a drill..WE ARE LIVE!!

 

[km3]

$13.00? Wow...

If my wage goes down to that, I'll be furious. (I'm in a building that upped everyone under $15.00 to $15.00... It's always been my understanding that it was a temporary deal until the contract was finished, hence why it's possible for mine to go down.)

 

[Blackstream]

Huh?

Bro, no. A current part timer making less than $13 will go to $13 and get then get the GWI. Everyone will be at least $13.00 an hour. GWI would put you at $17.15.

You kind of misunderstand what I'm saying. I know a current PTer will get bumped up to the floor and then get the GWI, I didn't state I caught that part. But after that, the floor goes up by 50 cents, while the GWI will be probably 70 cents to a dollar. So the current PTers will slowly outpace the floor by like 30-50 cents a year. And that's to say nothing about how demoralizing it's gonna be for the people hired after august 1st to be 4 years into this contract and see brand new people getting hired at the same wage they're making because they don't get GWI.

It's still terrible. At the end of 5 years, new hires will be making 15.50 while someone that's been here for 7 years will be making $17.15.

Meanwhile, I'm already at a base rate of $15.25, so the only thing that matters for me is the GWI which is too low considering we have basically the same raises as the current contract, but 5 years in the future with inflation and a booming economy.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

Denis T is a waste of Carbon and Oxygen

 

[Slacker45]

oh look PT's got peanuts again

what a shocker

Hey man, I bet if we all vote, we could out rank the drivers vote. I suggest you get them on your side. I'm no idiot, I vote for my overall future, but please don't discredit us. Im.in your union too

 

[specter208]

Never said the part-timers weren't to blame (at least to an extent, what with the chicken or the egg problem with part-time representation). Thing is that now a lot of part-timers will see what is in all actuality a crappy deal that sounds good in the short-term, and if they do vote (again, most won't), they'll probably vote yes. At the very least you can expect those at $10.35 unskilled and $11.00 skilled to jump on a $2.00 raise like it means something in the long run. And guess what, they won't give two hoots about how it will affect full-timers or even themselves in the long run. And that's because there hasn't been a brotherhood between the part-timers and the full-timers ever since the pay rates between the two diverged 30+ years ago.

At some point the full-timers should have bent down and offered a helping hand to the part-timers, but that hasn't happened in the past how many contracts? So let's see how this plays out now that you have easily bought part-timers to vote against. Because you better believe that the union and the company are going to spin this to get part-timers to vote yes, and remember, they outnumber the full-timers greatly.

Assuming if no PTers vote. Then this contract will be voted NO by full-Timers alone which will demand a better contract which will hopefully end up helping PTers anyways.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I'm glad you're one of the ones who stands up for all your brothers and sisters, not just the full-time ones. That's why I said most full-timers, because I know there are some that exist like you. Thanks for the brotherhood.

UPS goal has always been to divide and conquer. I just really never thought Union would have a hand in it.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

UPS goal has been to divide and conquer. I just really never thought Union would have a hand in it.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

If hybrid drivers are in this I will vote no. I'm pt, and you all bitch that part timers won't vote, or will vote yes. If you want them to vote for the benefit of the union I suggest you inform them that this company will abuse the he'll out of the hybrid drivers, and that they arent putting their time in as a loader to work for less.

The only reason I work for this company is the benefits and an opportunity to become a driver. That means i want the best contract for drivers possible. I think loaders deserve 15, but I will happily vote no if my "future" is less than any driver working right now.

Not only will I strike for better driver "benefits" but I will probably quit if the 2 tier/hybrid system happens. I came to this company (not long ago but still) to make money, and i refuse to agree to a system that reduces my pay significantly in the long run even if I make more in the next few years.

Inform your part timers to hang in there, and that while they might get full time this will only hurt them. I will quit my pt job if I can't make full time driver with the same amount of pay that you all make. I knew what I signed up for when I started, and it wasn't to make $6 less and hour, and a much lower cap then you all do. I will put my time in, make my seniority but god as my witness I will stand for no 2 tier, and every part timer should be with me. The little gains we make in becoming full time will never make up for the overall loss.

Stand with me, stand with your part timers, stand strong, and teamsters unite. We are all brothers/sister's let's stand against this (I'm just some chump kid and i see through this. No lie I will quit over this. I want a future in this company, and i haven't even put in the time as half the other kids) please stand strong brothers

Just out of curiosity if you do quite where will you go and make the same money as a hybrid top out of 3x/hr.. serious question.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

Why make concessions? UPS is making BILLIONS and saving hundreds of millions in taxes

This tentative agreement is garbage.

 

[Superteeth2478]

It's still terrible. At the end of 5 years, new hires will be making 15.50 while someone that's been here for 7 years will be making $17.15.

Exactly. Assuming that's how it'll go, it's still pissing on the part-timers and calling it rain, but so many of these new part-timers starting out at $10.35 or $11.00 will just see an immediate $2.00-$2.65 raise and vote yes, completely ignoring all the other language that makes the proposal suck. That's why I'm trying to get the part-timers at my hub to understand the long-term implications of this contract and vote no.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Vote no bud.... I’m headed down to the strike bunker to fire it up...we’re going to def-con orange...all mandatory strike bunker employees report to your stations...all non mandatory personnel you are on standby...this is not a drill...I repeat this is not a drill..WE ARE LIVE!!

friend yessss!!!! (Can I still swim inyour pool and drink at your bar?)

 

[Brownslave688]

It says there will be no 2 tier wages, everyone will make at least $13. So it would actually be like $1.65 more. Lol.

And this is where the IBT drops the ball every time.


Working hard to increase wages for people that don't even work here yet while selling out the current membership.


When it comes to part timers they should focused much more on progression and current employees pay increases.