Tentative agreement

[Skooney]

And this is where the IBT drops the ball every time.


Working hard to increase wages for people that don't even work her yet while selling out the current membership.


When it comes to part timers they should focused much more on progression and current employees pay increases.

I agree completely about progression, I was just commenting on that in another post.

 

[Blackstream]

I just don't understand who would vote yes for this. 4.15 is too low wage wise for both PTers and FTers. The pretty new job category is basically driving with less pay and no weekends, and probably more excessive OT because once you hit 60 hours they can finish your week in the hub to avoid DOT issues.

I cannot see who is out there that is gonna see this contract and feel like they gotta vote yes because the contract will benefit them so much. It's not like 22.4 magically adds FT jobs that wouldn't have existed otherwise, UPS would have had to create more FT drivers one way or another to deal with the volume. Who is gonna look at this piece of and think it's gold?

 

[Blackstream]

Exactly. Assuming that's how it'll go, it's still pissing on the part-timers and calling it rain, but so many of these new part-timers starting out at $10.35 or $11.00 will just see an immediate $2.00-$2.65 raise and vote yes, completely ignoring all the other language that makes the proposal suck. That's why I'm trying to get the part-timers at my hub to understand the long-term implications of this contract and vote no.

Funny thing is, the company increased the minimum to $15 here so... this contract won't even look good to a brand new hire, unless the supplement for this region just adds $2 or $3 to the starting wage numbers. It even potentially means they might lose money if the temporary wage bump goes away and the contract takes over.

 

[iruhnman630]

I'm confused. I'm a full time driver, hit my 1 year a couple months ago. I only make 19.50..... so new guys in this new position will make more then I do?!

I would assume you will make the same rate they do.

 

[wilberforce15]

I agree with pretty much everyone here.

But as soon as we're done telling BrownCafe about it, we should be pulling aside every person we know in the hub to explain why we NEED a "no" on this.

 

[Slacker45]

What don't you understand about the word "MAJORITY"???

Part time employees have been the "MAJORITY"....."for years", so yes they are absolutely to blame and it's not funny.

What I find "funny" is your assertion that part time employees would "jump on" these proposed 22.4 hybrid driver jobs?

Why would that be, when they are passing on full time driver jobs at an unprecedented rate.
Took me 8 years, 32 years ago to get a full time driving gig, while those interested now are going in as little as a year?

Most people will always vote in favor of their interests, if they choose to vote....

....so those tasked to set the terms will always cater to the voting base.

Will the UPS part timers ever wake up, or will they continue to claim that they were "sold out"?

Agree. Even though I'm pt, I am voting in the interest of drivers because that is my overall current goal. I don't want to make less for the same job even if I can start sooner.

Talk to your ptimers people. Tell them how it is. They might vote too just like me.

 

[Skooney]

You kind of misunderstand what I'm saying. I know a current PTer will get bumped up to the floor and then get the GWI, I didn't state I caught that part. But after that, the floor goes up by 50 cents, while the GWI will be probably 70 cents to a dollar. So the current PTers will slowly outpace the floor by like 30-50 cents a year. And that's to say nothing about how demoralizing it's gonna be for the people hired after august 1st to be 4 years into this contract and see brand new people getting hired at the same wage they're making because they don't get GWI.

It's still terrible. At the end of 5 years, new hires will be making 15.50 while someone that's been here for 7 years will be making $17.15.

Meanwhile, I'm already at a base rate of $15.25, so the only thing that matters for me is the GWI which is too low considering we have basically the same raises as the current contract, but 5 years in the future with inflation and a booming economy.

I agree completely. With everything. I guess I took what you said for face value, my apology.

 

[Slacker45]

I agree with pretty much everyone here.

But as soon as we're done telling BrownCafe about it, we should be pulling aside every person we know in the hub to explain why we NEED a "no" on this.

Especially part timers. Apparently you all think they will not vote, or vote yes. Talk to them. Tell them about their future.

People will listen to those who have come before. I always try to learn from me seniors and drivers

 

[Slacker45]

No it wouldn't.

A year without union protection is a year numbers will matter, and a year ups will understand what "scrapping the barrel" means

 

[specter208]

Need to Print "Vote NO" shirts and flyers.

 

[Brownslave688]

Just out of curiosity if you do quite where will you go and make the same money as a hybrid top out of 3x/hr.. serious question.

Any union trade in the area.


I could walk into a number of labor unions tomorrow that would hire me.

 

[Slacker45]

So if these jobs create 10,000 new full time jobs for part timers this is a bad thing? A 31 dollar an hour job is a bad thing. Good luck selling that to the general public. Don't get me wrong. Sometimes I fantisize about letting you all burn this place to the ground. Some of us would survive without UPS or a completely restructured UPS.

I didn't join this job to make less than those before me. I joined to earn my seniority and cap out as a drive... at the very least. I've. Been here for a very short time but even I know this means the end of the current full time position

 

[Coldworld]

friend yessss!!!! (Can I still swim inyour pool and drink at your bar?)

Yes...might put you in charge of the bartenders and dancers...you up for that?

 

[Wontmake9.5]

Any union trade in the area.


I could walk into a number of labor unions tomorrow that would hire me tomorrow.

That would have the same or higher top out benefits etc? If that’s true then why even risk a ty contract why not go and leave?

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

That would have the same or higher top out benefits etc? If that’s true then why even risk a ty contract why not go and leave?

.

 

[Brownslave688]

That would have the same or higher top out benefits etc? If that’s true then why even risk a ty contract why not go and leave?

Yeah they all make $40+ an hour.


I'm full time with a good amount of years towards a pension. No reason to leave unless I have no choice.


Well that and I'd take a big paycut the first few years I was there.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

I didn't join this job to make less than those before me. I joined to earn my seniority and cap out as a drive... at the very least. I've. Been here for a very short time but even I know this means the end of the current full time position

Not necessarily. With how much volume is going and such there will always be full time driver imo. Might be wrong but I believe that. However I do believe their will be a cap on pay. At one point Ups will say that’s it that’s all we are giving and then it gets tricky. But the union doesn’t really work for us they line their own pockets so who’s to say the union will even be around by then.

 

[Slacker45]

Just out of curiosity if you do quite where will you go and make the same money as a hybrid top out of 3x/hr.. serious question.

Well for starters, I currently also work for a gov job. I'm trying to get full time there. Would I cap out at 36? No, but I could potentially make more with overtime.

On the other hand. Would I make 36? No but I wouldn't bust my add day in and day out. I would actually be able to retire with an unbroken body.

Idk how you all do it, but idk if I can do this for 30 yrs, and my gov job is a labor position, with equal benefits (if I make it).

My only other incentive is that i could make over $100,000 with overtime if I wanted, but I feel like some drivers already do that.

Plus I could always go back to school and then really friend off this whole career path, I just need ups to pay for it first

 

[Brownslave688]

Yes...might put you in charge of the bartenders and dancers...you up for that?

Seriously? He wouldn't know a set if they smacked him in the face.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Nope