Thanks TDU

[stink219]

Been doing some cyber sleuthing, and the picture that's forming in my mind is that Ken P was an academic, far-left idealist that thought the IBT would be a great tool to push a bigger agenda, and that other TDU higher ups have also fit that description. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Nobody will correct you. Your getting very warm.

 

[stink219]

How many time do I have to tell you, I am not TDU. I don't have to answer your silly questions. But you made a pretty serious accusation about Paff. Either back it up with proof, or admit you are a liar.

Hahaha. You don't have to answer me because your not tdu? Yet you are the most vocal TDUer on here? I offered you a copy of the transcript. I'll mail it to you! I told you this. Btw...
1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?

 

[sortaisle]

If they were running to election to your local's board, then they were from the union. You have to be a teamster in good standing to run for election.
About calling and complaining, I bet they were all for changing leadership at you local, but when challanged by the union's B.A.'s and shop stewards quickly backed down, playing ignorant. Some people have no backbone.

The problem was they didn't tell anyone which slate they were on, didn't have any slate information on the poster and used the picture in their pamphlets. That's when they called to complain. They didn't support the slate and when they saw they were on their slate handouts they were livid. It was a little underhanded. Our old guard guys won in a land slide with over 70% of the vote. Basically, the people who had losing cases wanted the old guys out and the people who had won their cases kept the old guard in. A 70% win ratio is pretty good in the union world.

 

[browniehound]

Actually it's more like commie prevention. We know who the communists are all ready. They call themselves Teamsters for a democratic union, but I assure you, they are nothing but pusillanimous in sheep's clothing.

I believe the Union, by its very definition is a model of communism. Isn't it? Nobody can better themselves on their own individual merit.

 

[sortaisle]

Taking the best of something and using it doesn't make it the worst of it's kind...They're aspects of Communism and Socialism that are very grand and magnanimous. The only difference between the two is one gives the military all the power and the other the people all the power. The problem with both is, the people at the top have all the power. At least in our system, you have a shot at doing well for yourself, by yourself. Our brand of government has parts of Socialism and Communism built in.

 

[realbrown1]

Been doing some cyber sleuthing, and the picture that's forming in my mind is that Ken P was an academic, far-left idealist that thought the IBT would be a great tool to push a bigger agenda, and that other TDU higher ups have also fit that description. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Wow. You do know that almost all unions are left-wing, don't you?

 

[realbrown1]

The problem was they didn't tell anyone which slate they were on, didn't have any slate information on the poster and used the picture in their pamphlets. That's when they called to complain. They didn't support the slate and when they saw they were on their slate handouts they were livid. It was a little underhanded. Our old guard guys won in a land slide with over 70% of the vote. Basically, the people who had losing cases wanted the old guys out and the people who had won their cases kept the old guard in. A 70% win ratio is pretty good in the union world.

This whole story sounds like bs. You are trying to say that 15 teamsters don't know who is on their executive board at their local. The bs is getting deep today.

 

[stink219]

1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?

 

[sortaisle]

This whole story sounds like bs. You are trying to say that 15 teamsters don't know who is on their executive board at their local. The bs is getting deep today.

What crawled up your ass today? Is it really so hard to believe? The local covers 12,000 employees and this is a center that is a bit out of the way. It's not uncommon for local teamsters to rah rah and not have it be the executive committee. Out of curiosity, do you know the people on your local committee? And seriously, why call BS on someone sharing a story? I'm not a TDU basher and just letting you know how it's gone down in my neck of the woods. You don't endear yourself to others for your cause very well.

 

[Inthegame]

I believe the Union, by its very definition is a model of communism. Isn't it? Nobody can better themselves on their own individual merit.

More like socialists with seniority. The individual merit argument is a corporate trojan horse. The basic concept of unionism is the strength of the group is greater than the strength of the individual. Does anyone (aside from Hoax) on either side of this contract issue really believe UPS would've agreed to these terms without the IBT? If you are delusional enough to say yes, please apply at FedEx.

 

[sortaisle]

Communism in practice is a military state. Thankfully, UPS isn't like the East India Trading Company at it's height with it's own navy. Unions have their bad aspects, I won't deny that.

 

[realbrown1]

What crawled up your ass today? Is it really so hard to believe? The local covers 12,000 employees and this is a center that is a bit out of the way. It's not uncommon for local teamsters to rah rah and not have it be the executive committee. Out of curiosity, do you know the people on your local committee? And seriously, why call BS on someone sharing a story? I'm not a TDU basher and just letting you know how it's gone down in my neck of the woods. You don't endear yourself to others for your cause very well.

Yes, I know who is on my local exec board. No excuse not to.

 

[HubBub]

Wow. You do know that almost all unions are left-wing, don't you?

I've got no problem with left-wingers, or academics, or idealists. Just trying to figure out it Paff has the best interest of the IBT at heart or is just using it for other agendas.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Anybody ever watch that show Vikings on history channel. It kicks ass.

 

[brownmonster]

Anybody ever watch that show Vikings on history channel. It kicks ass.

Love it. Now we have to wait until 2014.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Love it. Now we have to wait until 2014.

I love that show. My son Noah looks Scandinavia. He takes after his mom. I've always said he looks like an Icelandic warrior.

 

[realbrown1]

I've got no problem with left-wingers, or academics, or idealists. Just trying to figure out it Paff has the best interest of the IBT at heart or is just using it for other agendas.

If you have a problem with left wingers, what do you think unions are?

 

[HubBub]

Go back and read that again.

 

[804brown]

Paff gives true socialism a bad name. HE is NOT a Teamster nor is his group a union. He doesn't register his group as a union. Do you know why? So he doesn't have to report a LM2. Then we would find out about where his socialism is. It's the same stuff over and over and over. This site is overwhelmed with TDU warlocks to "talk up" their movement.
1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?

Paff was a teamster in local 407 back in the bad ol presser days. He worked for preston trucking then began to organize around getting a better contract and the right to vote, etc. I know HORRIBLE THINGS!! You ask what is his interest?? Well what is ralph nader's interest in all HE does. Or any other activist like caesar chavez, etc. Why did I go to numerous OWS rallies and protest?? Because I felt it was the right thing to do TO MAKE CHANGE HAPPEN!! He is now national organizer who works for TDU for a salary, not alot. His office is a tiny box filled with file cabinets and union posters. Maybe you cant imagine smart, activist people wanting to create positive change in an organization.

What do you mean tdu refuses to support the teamster?? TDU supported sandy pope, Tom L and Ron Carey. The organization supports REFORM candidates, not old guard dinosaurs who truly have that "vested interest" in the status quo.

As for Pope's local, there is no financial disaster in local 805. Those were untrue election rumors and allegations to disparage her record.

 

[804brown]

Been doing some cyber sleuthing, and the picture that's forming in my mind is that Ken P was an academic, far-left idealist that thought the IBT would be a great tool to push a bigger agenda, and that other TDU higher ups have also fit that description. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Close. He was a truck driver with an education. It was his and others' hard work that got us the right to vote in our union. The "other TDU higher ups" are the steering committee made up of teamsters who are elected at the TDU Convention every year.