The end of girl’s sports

[It will be fine]

I don’t think it is as cut and dry as a title IX argument for this. Seperate girls and boys sport haven’t been deemed unconstitutional.

I think it is pretty easily that cut and dry. You can’t discriminate based on sex.

 

[El Correcto]

I think it is pretty easily that cut and dry. You can’t discriminate based on sex.

Okay so there is no such thing as man or woman in the eyes of government? No more separate sports in the pursuit of what you define as discriminatory?

 

[El Correcto]

When you are a transgender woman, you are still a man. If you go through male puberty and everything else, still different than an actual female.
Women’s sports has always been “seperate but equal” type thing but for good reasons. Women’s accomplishments are on a different standard than men’s. There would never be women champions in most unisex events.

 

[vantexan]

Okay so there is no such thing as man or woman in the eyes of government? No more separate sports in the pursuit of what you define as discriminatory?

I think anywhere that a transgender is participating the girls should refuse to participate. The government might be able to force transgenders on them, but they can't make them participate. Might be the only avenue they have left if the courts don't rule in their favor.

 

[vantexan]

I think it is pretty easily that cut and dry. You can’t discriminate based on sex.

Then have the biological male compete against males. They can't discriminate based on sex. If he's really a she the guys are just going to have to deal with it and let her play. Do you see what kind of boondoggle y'all are creating?

 

[Fred's Myth]

Then have the biological male compete against males. They can't discriminate based on sex. If he's really a she the guys are just going to have to deal with it and let her play. Do you see what kind of boondoggle y'all are creating?

Institute a chromosome check before allowing the competition.

By the way, Itsy, you can’t discriminate based on sex, not gender.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

When you are a transgender woman, you are still a man. If you go through male puberty and everything else, still different than an actual female.
Women’s sports has always been “seperate but equal” type thing but for good reasons. Women’s accomplishments are on a different standard than men’s. There would never be women champions in most unisex events.

The whole point is that everyone should be treated as equal under the law. The law should not differentiate based on sex, race, religious or political affiliation. That has been warped and perverted so that now we have legally recognized "protected classes". This is supposed to be an answer to "systemic racism" but actually violates equal protection, and enshrines discrimination into our legal system. These are ideas that create division, not unity. And they have extended beyond the realm of the legal system and are destroying our culture too.

 

[vantexan]

Institute a chromosome check before allowing the competition.

By the way, Itsy, you can’t discriminate based on sex, not gender.

That's a great idea if they were actually trying to prevent it from happening.

 

[vantexan]

The whole point is that everyone should be treated as equal under the law. The law should not differentiate based on sex, race, religious or political affiliation. That has been warped and perverted so that now we have legally recognized "protected classes". This is supposed to be an answer to "systemic racism" but actually violates equal protection, and enshrines discrimination into our legal system. These are ideas that create division, not unity. And they have extended beyond the realm of the legal system and are destroying our culture too.

The whole point of Title 9 I believe was to get equal funding for girls sports so that they could have all the facilities needed to train and play. That was the equal footing with boys. Was never intended to be twisted in this manner.

 

[El Correcto]

The whole point is that everyone should be treated as equal under the law. The law should not differentiate based on sex, race, religious or political affiliation. That has been warped and perverted so that now we have legally recognized "protected classes". This is supposed to be an answer to "systemic racism" but actually violates equal protection, and enshrines discrimination into our legal system. These are ideas that create division, not unity. And they have extended beyond the realm of the legal system and are destroying our culture

It comes down to do you treat transgender women as women under the law. What is the new definition of a woman, what part of their transition do they have to be in? What kind of uneven playing field is this going to put women in?

This whole wanting to let transgender (men), compete with women is certainly more complicated than a clear cut Title IX. I don’t even see the need for the federal government to threaten states over such a trivial matter. It can be handled locally in the school districts and if parents truly disagree with it they should have school choice.

 

[El Correcto]

Liberals will lose sleep over a transgender girl in Texas not getting to run a track in highschool.
I don’t give a if liberals win that political battle locally, have at it.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

The whole point of Title 9 I believe was to get equal funding for girls sports so that they could have all the facilities needed to train and play. That was the equal footing with boys. Was never intended to be twisted in this manner.

The problem there is that boys/men's sports are more popular, and they have an easier time raising funds privately. It's one thing to have equal amounts of public funds for both, it's something different to make sure both are funded equally. I don't know enough about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried using title 9 to acquire public funds for girls sports to match the public as well as private funds that boys sports got.

The entire reason we don't treat gender dysphoria as a mental illness anymore is the fact that democrats realized the political capital they could gain by treating people with the disorder as a protected class. Of course it is going to be abused.

Thank goodness we don't have human rights tribunals like in Canada, otherwise we would have minority women being forced to wax the penis and scrotum of a trans woman. The entire thing is insane on its face, and the leftists (who are still convinced they are liberal or progressive) are just daring us to push them to show how far they will go with their virtue signalling, supporting the craziest policies. We laugh about age fluidity now, tomorrow we'll be forced to accept that it's real or be cancelled.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

It comes down to do you treat transgender women as women under the law. What is the new definition of a woman, what part of their transition do they have to be in? What kind of uneven playing field is this going to put women in?

This whole wanting to let transgender (men), compete with women is certainly more complicated than a clear cut Title IX. I don’t even see the need for the federal government to threaten states over such a trivial matter. It can be handled locally in the school districts and if parents truly disagree with it they should have school choice.

This is only a problem because women are a protected class, which means extra rights. Eliminate the idea of protected classes and establish true equality under the law, no more problems. Well, except the ones people create for political gain, but that never ends.

 

[El Correcto]

This is only a problem because women are a protected class, which means extra rights. Eliminate the idea of protected classes and establish true equality under the law, no more problems. Well, except the ones people create for political gain, but that never ends.

Well that’s beyond anything feasible in modern America. I don’t really see a legal argument for forcing schools to adopt transgender women as women. If you want to do school sports by gender and open up funding for transgender sports in the name of equality, I’ll hear that argument. But a transgender woman is not a woman. That is legally a man in my eyes, until they create a transgender woman classification.

 

[El Correcto]

That’s the problem with the left they are not even reasonable. Most the country does not believe transgender women are literally women.
They are going to step on women’s toes with this non sense. They should fight for transgender classification and try to make any programs available to cisgender people funded for transgender people equally.

 

[Babagounj]

Does it matter if Bob shaves his hairy legs before wearing a dress to work ?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

That’s the problem with the left they are not even reasonable. Most the country does not believe transgender women are literally women.
They are going to step on women’s toes with this non sense. They should fight for transgender classification and try to make any programs available to cisgender people funded for transgender people equally.

But where does it end? How many new classifications will we have to acknowledge and support. You open up that line of reasoning, there is no argument against taking it further. The hilarious thing about it is that once you establish enough classes, you end up with groups that include exactly one person, the individual.

 

[vantexan]

The problem there is that boys/men's sports are more popular, and they have an easier time raising funds privately. It's one thing to have equal amounts of public funds for both, it's something different to make sure both are funded equally. I don't know enough about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried using title 9 to acquire public funds for girls sports to match the public as well as private funds that boys sports got.

The entire reason we don't treat gender dysphoria as a mental illness anymore is the fact that democrats realized the political capital they could gain by treating people with the disorder as a protected class. Of course it is going to be abused.

Thank goodness we don't have human rights tribunals like in Canada, otherwise we would have minority women being forced to wax the penis and scrotum of a trans woman. The entire thing is insane on its face, and the leftists (who are still convinced they are liberal or progressive) are just daring us to push them to show how far they will go with their virtue signalling, supporting the craziest policies. We laugh about age fluidity now, tomorrow we'll be forced to accept that it's real or be cancelled.

Boys football and basketball pretty much fund all other sports. It's not really taxes paying for everything, it's gate receipts. Title 9 insures that those funds are spread evenly to other sports. It's way past whether that's fair to the major boys sports, it's the accepted norm. Which it seems the advocates for transgender females know that if they can force the issue through the government it'll become the accepted norm over time. More liberal social engineering.

 

[El Correcto]

But where does it end? How many new classifications will we have to acknowledge and support. You open up that line of reasoning, there is no argument against taking it further. The hilarious thing about it is that once you establish enough classes, you end up with groups that include exactly one person, the individual.

Like I said this is just what I think they should do if they were even pretending to be reasonable or serious about this. Not just hurling Molotov cocktails around and slamming people as bigots for not agreeing.

 

[vantexan]

But where does it end? How many new classifications will we have to acknowledge and support. You open up that line of reasoning, there is no argument against taking it further. The hilarious thing about it is that once you establish enough classes, you end up with groups that include exactly one person, the individual.

While we're at it why can't hot female teachers have sex with their students? Why prison terms for that? It's the kind of sex they identify with so why not as long as the boy is post pubescent?