The ( OFFICIAL ) angry Contract results thread!

[Shift 2]

if they throw a catch up raise in there I would vote yes

Ot after 4 hrs another dollar or 2 for current PTers is vote yes

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Shocker.



We've known about the contract end date since 2013 yet we waited til spring to start negotiations. Then waited forever to take a strike vote that they had no intention of using as leverage. Then took til late September to get this thing to vote.


The entire IBT is a cluster at this point.

No I believe they started these talks last year

 

[Doubleparkedrunner]

You told us all we'd be striking Monday so it wouldn't be the first time you've been wrong.

Actually , it would be much easier to just ask the question...

When has he ever been correct ?

 

[Benben]

Updated: UPS Contracts Rejected, Union and Company to Return to the Table | Labor Notes

"Taylor’s threat hinged on language in the Teamsters constitution (Article XII, Section 2(d)(2)) that allows negotiators to accept a contract if fewer than half the members vote, unless at least two-thirds vote no.

According to UPS Teamsters United, Taylor claimed in a meeting of local UPS leaders that the union would be required to accept the deal. In reality, the language says the negotiating committee would be required to accept the company’s final offer “or such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it.”

Though awkwardly written, the provision clearly says that bargainers have the option to negotiate better terms.

Federal law does not guarantee members the right to vote on their own union contracts. However, the Teamsters like many other unions have enshrined that right in their constitution, along with rules governing such votes."

 

[Tony Q]

44%

 

[upssalesguy]

I heard that now that the contract was shot down UPS is going to close up shop next Monday.

Time to apply at amazon. s/

I’d say the IBT is closer to shutting down than ups. You guys strike you know it’s over right. Ups has a global network they will be fine. A small blip. We have so much stupid unprofitable volume as it is. Shed 30% of it - and the IBT anchor - and my stock go to an all time high.

It’s like the union folks that voted for trump. So silly.

 

[Over disciplined0123]

You find me an amazon employee with close to the same benefits as a ups pt employee and I’ll hold a sign with you all.

True , But majority of part timers who are in college 20 yrs old do not even use thier benefits. So give them option to opt out and make 20 dollars a hour .. because ups states that the benefits provided are worth 10 $ a hour.

 

[The Driver]

Yeah, you're right, we should've just accepted this huge sellout. We'll do better next time.

Feeling salty?

 

[Superteeth2478]

As far as the NMA. It’s not voted down unless over 50% voted (they didn’t) and beat by 2/3 (it didn’t). That is why Taylor said it was ratified per the constitution. We have right to negotiate improvements without triggering a new vote but UPS could simply say no. Not trying to argue just telling you the facts.

NO NO NO! It's not the FINAL OFFER! Why doesn't anyone remember that in '97 UPS announced that it was the final offer? Why hadn't the union told us it was the final offer in those glossy mailers and cited the Article XII language? JUST SHUT UP!

 

[Brownslave688]

ohhh. I’m sure he will be out with big numbers next election. Hopefully before but we will see

Especially if they try to interpret this language as they have to force it I have no doubt collusion is happening and if someone digs deep enough lots of ppl go down.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

I’m seeing too much nonsense here...I’ll wait for the facts...at least I know I took 2 minutes out of my day to vote no for our future.

It’s very easy to look at the facts and have your mind up.. the facts are all out there lol

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

Id welcome with open arms National right to work if this POS passes. Making the union actually have to come to us for money instead of being able to just take it would do wonders for relations and bargaining. They’d actually have to do what we want.

 

[Over disciplined0123]

What’s sad is that you couldn’t get more than 50% of the members to vote.

They didn’t get ballots

 

[Days]

As far as the NMA. It’s not voted down unless over 50% voted (they didn’t) and beat by 2/3 (it didn’t). That is why Taylor said it was ratified per the constitution. We have right to negotiate improvements without triggering a new vote but UPS could simply say no. Not trying to argue just telling you the facts.

Thank you for putting out the facts

 

[LagunaBrown]

NO NO NO! It's not the FINAL OFFER! Why doesn't anyone remember that in '97 UPS announced that it was the final offer? Why hadn't the union told us it was the final offer in those glossy mailers and cited the Article XII language? JUST SHUT UP!

You keep being you bro.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

The risk I see is the Amazon news came out very late. Most had already voted. If they change nothing I see more part timers to come out and vote no for round 2.

There won’t be a round two is they shove the contract down our throats since the turn out was only 42%...

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

WHO ARE THE 42,000 TEAMSTERS THAT VOTED FOR THIS?!

 

[upssalesguy]

True , But majority of part timers who are in college 20 yrs old do not even use thier benefits. So give them option to opt out and make 20 dollars a hour .. because ups states that the benefits provided are worth 10 $ a hour.

And guaranteed raises and paid time off I mean - let’s just let the kids pick their own hours while we’re at it

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Ot after 4 hrs another dollar or 2 for current PTers is vote yes

Lol. Your reaching with the overtime after 4 hours. Hahaha. Really

 

[LagunaBrown]

WHO ARE THE 42,000 TEAMSTERS THAT VOTED FOR THIS?!

It’s the people that didn’t vote is the problem