Ask locals there if they are treated well by Russians. Ask Russians if they're treated well by locals(speaking of all the former Soviet republics). Grudges in that part of the world go back centuries. Think about your own experience. Are there blacks who hate whites with a passion because of what was done to blacks here over hundreds of years? Read a blog of a woman traveler in what is now North Macedonia. She was warned not to go to Albania because of how dangerous they were. Albanians warned her the same about Macedonians. When I was in Kazakhstan I was warned to stay out of Kyrgyzstan because it was extremely dangerous. He was shocked in an email that I not only went but really liked it. It's not the U.S.
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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What scenario? I'm asking you questions. You're framing things in terms of your own experience but different cultures have on many issues very different views, different ways to handle things.
floridays
Well-Known Member
What you laid forth in post 7419, you want me to imagine and think what if I.....
Fact is Putin doesn't give one rats ass about any so called Russia separatist, he wants the bounty of the land, no more no less.
Do you honestly think he misses one second of sleep thinking of the plight of "Russians" in Ukraine.
Give me a break, it would be cheaper to give every so called "Russian" a million dollars or equivalent in rubles to go to the motherland but they won't.
It's the Ukraine, exactly what it was called under Soviet dominance that is wanted, not peace for "their people" in Ukraine.
I'm not trying to explain Putin's motives. Mistreatment of Russians is a pretext for going in. That was the reason for attacking Georgia. Ukraine has a huge agricultural sector and would be a prize for any dictator. I'm trying to give you some background on the world over there. It's not as cut and dried as you think. In the U.S. people of German, Irish, English, Italian, African, and countless others intermix. Not common in that part of the world. And people have long memories. There was a lot of cruelty given by ethnic Serbs on Muslim Bosnians. What people don't know is that was revenge for centuries of Muslim abuse on Serbs. Putin himself is angry over the Russians losing dominance over other groups when the Soviet Union collapsed. There's a lot more to it than one crazy dictator.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Ukraine is the first crack in the dam that holds back the flood of a global mess. We have grown fat and lazy with our material wealth and comfort. The world order on which that spins has not been challenged since WW2.
Putin has challenged that order because we aren't going to respond. We’re too busy dealing with climate change, gender idiots, fake racism, and all the income inequality.
Putin has the money because of their oil and natural gas now.Russian energy markets aren't sanctioned because it would do too much damage to the countries that are now dependent.
When Putin invaded Georgia there were no consequences. He invaded Crimea and Luhansk and Donetsk, no consequences. He knows on the best of days Sleepy Joe doesn't know when he's pissing himself. Putin is sitting pretty to be the great one that brings Russia back to the glory days.
Putin has challenged that order because we aren't going to respond. We’re too busy dealing with climate change, gender idiots, fake racism, and all the income inequality.
Putin has the money because of their oil and natural gas now.Russian energy markets aren't sanctioned because it would do too much damage to the countries that are now dependent.
When Putin invaded Georgia there were no consequences. He invaded Crimea and Luhansk and Donetsk, no consequences. He knows on the best of days Sleepy Joe doesn't know when he's pissing himself. Putin is sitting pretty to be the great one that brings Russia back to the glory days.
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
That little dwarf
floridays
Well-Known Member
I was thinkin pigphuker
Bernie showed his true colors but i think i was onto him in 2016
newfie
Well-Known Member
some divide is probably good for a balance. Our constitution is written to slow down or prevent mobocracy.
the concern i would have is when a party or side tries to maintain that divide or even create more of a divide.
the problem with the divide in todays world is it has become much more personal.
in the old days terms like big spender were used to define an opponent.
in todays world everyone who disagrees with a dems position is a racist. every liberal position is somehow intertwined into an argument against racism.
If I am against environmental extreme's then somehow or someway I will be accused of racism.
I think at some point this style of debate will filter out but i dont know if we can return to a more civil style of debate.
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
What’s the division?
Keep them or ship them back?
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
This just keeps getting better....
www.cnn.com
Putin orders Russian deterrence forces onto high alert as troops battle for control of Ukrainian cities | CNN
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his country's deterrence forces -- which include nuclear arms -- onto their highest state of alert on Sunday, as Ukrainian forces engaged in fierce fighting with Russian troops in multiple cities across Ukraine.
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
More liberal media BS….This just keeps getting better....
Putin orders Russian deterrence forces onto high alert as troops battle for control of Ukrainian cities | CNN
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his country's deterrence forces -- which include nuclear arms -- onto their highest state of alert on Sunday, as Ukrainian forces engaged in fierce fighting with Russian troops in multiple cities across Ukraine.
The Deterrence Forces INCLUDE nukes.
They make it as if launch towards Canada is imminent….LOL
Lots of
s spouting that they’re going to nuke the world!
EU to ban Russia’s RT, Sputnik media outlets, von der Leyen says
‘We will ban the Kremlin’s media machine in the EU,’ Commission president says.
www.politico.eu
"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced Sunday that Kremlin-backed RT, formerly known as Russia Today, and Sputnik, would be banned in the EU.
"We will ban the Kremlin’s media machine in the EU. The state-owned Russia Today and Sputnik, and their subsidiaries, will no longer be able to spread their lies to justify Putin’s war," she said.
"We are developing tools to ban their toxic and harmful disinformation in Europe," von der Leyen added, without providing more details."
oldngray
nowhere special
"What good is NATO if Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars for gas and energy? Why are there only 5 out of 29 countries that have met their commitment? The U.S. is paying for Europe’s protection, then loses billions on Trade. Must pay 2% of GDP IMMEDIATELY, not by 2025," Trump tweeted in July 2018.
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