Fred's Myth
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When the President orders an airstrike against an enemy, and the collateral damage includes innocent civilians, do you believe the President should be charged with involuntary manslaughter?
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That's not how it works and we all know it. Checks and balances. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The president could order troops to take over Washington and the generals would order them to stand down. Why? They've taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and will only obey lawful orders. This whole Trump wants to be a dictator is a silly argument.
HarryWarden
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Theoretically it would be nice, but there are rules to war and combat and civilian deaths that are unintentional are not considered illegal when done by the military
HarryWarden
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Checks and balances, exactly. And the same goes for the law and the court. So you can’t just say “well his politcial rivals could abuse it so he should be above the law”.
Trumps lawyer is literally arguing for this
“If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military … to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity?” Sotomayor asked.
“That could well be an official act,” Trump’s attorney, D. John Sauer, said.
You keep saying "above the law." We already have a process for removing a president. Again, the Constitution. But going after your political rival using the courts is a whole other animal. A president needs some measure of protection from political enemies while doing his job. Just not liking someone is no basis for hounding them in court.
We already have a case against Trump for holding classified documents. You say he's not above the law. Yet the investigation against Biden was dismissed for doing the same. Except Biden wasn't president and he held classified documents in multiple locations for decades. Violated all kinds of laws. But his party made sure he wouldn't be prosecuted. Not so for Trump. This is where we get into having political parties using the courts against their political enemies. No one is above the law unless they happen to be a major Democrat.
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HarryWarden
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ok, so let’s say Biden is president, and far left democrats overwhelmingly take over congress in the house and senate, and say they will not impeach Biden for anything he does
Biden then starts breaking the law and ignoring the constitution, he takes away the second ammendment and plenty of other illegal actions, what do you propose the next step to do is, since he isn’t being impeached?
burrheadd
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An unspeakable MAGA concession
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He can't just take away the 2nd Amendment. Doesn't matter if he's not being impeached. He's not a king. Seriously, when has a president ever done what you're suggesting? You know why not? They can't, period. The only thing that matters to you is they get Trump, even if they have to bend the law to do so. So you'll argue every impossible scenario in order to accomplish that.
Joe saved us from himself? Way to go Joe!
burrheadd
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HarryWarden
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Again, what would be stopping him? You are getting way too wrapped up in Biden vs trump.
Again, what would he stopping Biden from breaking the law and constitution if he had presidential immunity and couldn’t be impeached or stopped in court?
You’re right, it hasn’t happened before, because presidents have been under the assumption they have to play by the laws. Trump is arguing for presidential immunity, that’s why this is being discussed
If Biden had complete control in Congress and wasn’t being impeached, what would stop him from stripping away the 2nd ammendment if he got presidential immunity?
Brown Down
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then you better prepare for 1776 part 2
Trump will likely get limited immunity. Did you serve in the military? I did. I don't think you understand the oath they take to uphold the Constitution. The president's cabinet can remove him too. He's not a king. He's not a dictator. And people in the government, military and civilian, will make sure he doesn't become one. You're fantasizing over a non starter.
HarryWarden
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That would be illegal for them to do. They don’t have presidential immunity like the president would have in this scenario. Biden could order every one of them assasinated, which is exactly what trump is arguing for in court right now
It’s insane you’re arguing for this. I guarantee you if it was Biden in court saying he should be able to assasinate his political opponent, you would be up in arms.
ok, let’s make this all simpler. Please answer me this
Biden gets presidential immunity, he declares that trump is an enemy to our country and orders him to be assasinated. You think that’s ok and he should be able to do that? Biden could go right up to Trump and shoot him himself
You’re saying he shouldn’t be tried in court for that, because then other presidents could also be tried in court from their political rivals. Do you see how silly this is?
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
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Your Almighty Cult leader is looking pretty sad and pathetic , and he’s stinking up the courtroom with those noxious farts
PT Car Washer
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January 6th proved just how wrong you are. Just because it failed does not mean trump will not attempt it again. Next time he may just succeed.
Lineandinitial
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Must be a horrible existence to live with so much hatred.
Hard to admit, huh?
